| 00:00:00 | Broke down.
|
| 00:00:00 | She talked it'll earlier this
morning about winning that race.
|
| 00:00:03 | >> It was a lot of relief and a
lot of just happiness, you know,
happy that I finally did it.
|
| 00:00:11 | I mean, my family was there and
everyone was crying.
|
| 00:00:14 | And it was just -- it's so --
it's so positive
>> Reporter: Four more races
today, tamron.
|
| 00:00:22 | Lindsey vonn is going to be back
at it in the super combined
next.
|
| 00:00:25 | >> And, of course, we've got to
talk about the guys there.
|
| 00:00:27 | A lot of excitementwell,
chris.
|
| 00:00:31 | >> Reporter: Yeah.
|
| 00:00:32 | And look at the "globe and
"
this is the local newspaper.
|
| 00:00:36 | They love the canadians, of
course.
|
| 00:00:39 | Thiss the vancouver newspaper.
|
| 00:00:41 | Everybody has to acknowledge, it
was a white-hot wednesday for
the americans.
|
| 00:00:45 | Shaun white, he rides that 22
foot high wall.
|
| 00:00:48 | He had watched 11 riders in
front of him.
|
| 00:00:52 | He was frying to decide whether
he should do his latest and
absolutely most amazing trick,
THE double McTwist 1260.
|
| 00:00:58 | He does two flips, 3 1/2 spins.
|
| 00:01:01 | And he nailed it.
|
| 00:01:02 | I mean, he's repeating the gold
medal.
|
| 00:01:04 | And I think this is what's
really significant going forward
with shaun white.
|
| 00:01:08 | He's pushing the boundaries of
this sport.
|
| 00:01:10 | He's only 23 years old.
|
| 00:01:12 | He already said he's coming back
for 2014 in russia.
|
| 00:01:17 | So watch out, the rest of the
snowboarding world.
|
| 00:01:20 | And then we have another twofer.
|
| 00:01:22 | I was going to say, in the long
track, shani davis, did you
watch that, tamron?
|
| 00:01:26 | >> I watched some of the
highlights -- just a little.
|
| 00:01:29 | I glanced up when I saw it, and
I thought oh, my god, he's going
to win again, and it blew me
away.
|
| 00:01:34 | >> Reporter: I know.
|
| 00:01:35 | I mean, it's so hard in that
sport, these kinds of sports, to
repeat.
|
| 00:01:39 | He did it.
|
| 00:01:39 | He took the gold.
|
| 00:01:41 | Chad hedrick took the bronze.
|
| 00:01:42 | And, again, this was the
winningest single day ever for
the u.s. in the winter olympics.
|
| 00:01:49 | >> Well, what do we look forward
to today, chris?
|
| 00:01:52 | >> Reporter: Two huge things i
want to make sure we know, and
that's the golden girls of the
halfpipe.
|
| 00:01:57 | We have three american women
snowboarders, all of whom have a
chance to medal here.
|
| 00:02:04 | Hanna teeter is the returning
gold medalist.
|
| 00:02:08 | She certainly is going to be one
to watch today.
|
| 00:02:10 | The other thing, of course,
tonight is the men's figure
skating.
|
| 00:02:14 | And we have evan lysacek out
there who absolutely skated a
flawless short program.
|
| 00:02:19 | But he has to go up against the
king of the jumps, plushenko.
|
| 00:02:26 | It is going to be, I think,
probably one of the best men's
finals we've seen in olympic
history, and that's going to be
happening tonight.
|
| 00:02:32 | >> Chris, thank you very much.
|
| 00:02:33 | >>> And wednesday, was, as we
mentioned, the best day for
american athletes when picked up
sex medal
six medals.
|
| 00:02:42 | That puts team usa back in
first.
|
| 00:02:45 | 14.
|
| 00:02:46 | Germany, and france in third
with seven.
|
| 00:02:48 | On to the other sports story
people are talking about.
|
| 00:02:51 | Tiger woods breaking his
silence, but the troubled star
is being criticized for what he
plans to do tomorrow.
|
| 00:02:56 | Tiger has stayed out of the
spotlight ever since the scandal
of his affairs when it broke
last november.
|
| 00:03:03 | Yesterday after word came that
tiger would finally speak, we
got this picture of him jogging.
|
| 00:03:07 | It was released.
|
| 00:03:08 | Nbc's kerry sanders is live in
st. augustine with the latest.
|
| 00:03:12 | Kerry, we understand that tiger
woods is trying to control the
environment of -- and we can't
call it a news conference, it's
just a public statement he's
making.
|
| 00:03:19 | >> Reporter: Yes.
|
| 00:03:20 | But it's kind of contrived in
what they're going to do.
|
| 00:03:24 | He's going to come into a room.
|
| 00:03:25 | There will be one camera there.
|
| 00:03:27 | He's invited some friends.
|
| 00:03:28 | He's invited three wire service
reporters.
|
| 00:03:31 | They're not allowed to ask
questions.
|
| 00:03:34 | And there are three other print
reporters from the gulf writers
association who are yet to be
selected who will also be there.
|
| 00:03:39 | I guess one of the big questions
is what is he going to say?
|
| 00:03:42 | But another one is his wife,
elin nordegren, going to be
there.
|
| 00:03:46 | There she is on the front page
of the "people" magazine that's
just out.
|
| 00:03:50 | "
and I guess the real choice is
whether she'll be there or not.
|
| 00:03:54 | And the inside sources that we
have at nbc news tell us that
right now tiger is still
pleading with elin to join him
at that news conference.
|
| 00:04:03 | But she has not yet agreed to do
that.
|
| 00:04:06 | Of course, it would be a very
powerful image were she to be
standing next to him.
|
| 00:04:10 | Just as much, it will be a very
powerful statement if she is not
standing next to him when he
gives us whatever he is going to
say on camera tomorrow.
|
| 00:04:18 | 00 in the
morning.
|
| 00:04:21 | And they're sending the signal
out from that camera to every
television station in the world.
|
| 00:04:25 | >> All right, kerry, thank you
very much.
|
| 00:04:27 | We greatly appreciate the live
report.
|
| 00:04:29 | Join us tomorrow morning at this
hour.
|
| 00:04:31 | That is when tiger woods is
going to make that statement.
|
| 00:04:34 | We're going to have a great
panel in place to get
perspective on really what this
means for tiger woods and the
world of golf.
|
| 00:04:40 | >>> Also, former new york city
police commissioner bernard
kerik is awaiting sentencing
right now in a new york
courtroom.
|
| 00:04:48 | He pled guilty to eight felonies
including obstruction, tax
charges and making false
statements to the federal
government.
|
| 00:04:53 | His nomination by then president
bush for homeland
security chief was derailed
following corruption
allegations.
|
| 00:05:00 | He could now face up to 61 years
in prison.
|
| 00:05:03 | >>> And also in just a few
minutes, president obama will
meet with the dalai lama in the
map room of the white house
residence.
|
| 00:05:10 | It's a long-awaited meeting
given that the president chose
not to meet with the spiritual
leader last october.
|
| 00:05:18 | Now, the move was seen as a
diplomatic gesture to china.
|
| 00:05:21 | And it was just one month before
president obama's summit with
chinese leaders in beijing.
|
| 00:05:26 | So the chinese government said
to be not happy about today's
meeting.
|
| 00:05:32 | Nbc's mike viqueira is at the
white house.
|
| 00:05:34 | A lot of details.
|
| 00:05:35 | It won't be one on one.
|
| 00:05:36 | It's not in the oval office.
|
| 00:05:37 | So the white house, the
president aware of perception is
reality, especially when dealing
with china.
|
| 00:05:42 | >> Reporter: Well, that's right,
tamron.
|
| 00:05:44 | You made reference to the fact
that president obama met with
the chinese premier back in
november.
|
| 00:05:48 | And at that meeting, according
to white house officials, the
president informed the chinese
leader that he would be having
this meeting with the dalai lama
and that it would go forward
here in the white house.
|
| 00:05:58 | Now, outside the gates here of
the white house, we have about a
dozen tibetan flags fluttering
inside.
|
| 00:06:04 | In just a matter of a few
minutes, we will have that
meeting between the president
and the spiritual leader of
tibet.
|
| 00:06:09 | Of course, china very angry
about this meeting.
|
| 00:06:11 | But it is not the first time.
|
| 00:06:13 | Going back to bush 41, george
bush, he had a meeting, a
similar meeting with the dalai
lama.
|
| 00:06:20 | And on through the course of the
last 12 or 19 years, we've had
several of these meetings, none
of which, tamron, take place in
the oval office.
|
| 00:06:26 | And that is a concession of
sorts to the chinese dealing
with appearances.
|
| 00:06:31 | There are any number of issues
on the table now between the
united states and the chinese
government including human
rights, including an arms sale
to taiwan that the united states
has made that the chinese are
very upset about.
|
| 00:06:41 | Of course, the trade imbalance
and the fact that china now is
the largest holder of u.s. debt.
|
| 00:06:48 | And let's not forget about the
most recent flare-up dealing
with internet freedom and the
fact that there were cyber
attacks on google -- the google
web page within china.
|
| 00:06:56 | So a whole hossues here
serving as a backdrop.
|
| 00:07:03 | >> I understand that the dalai
lama may speak after this
meeting?
|
| 00:07:06 | >> Reporter: Well, that's right.
|
| 00:07:07 | We will not see him speak in a
traditional photo-op.
|
| 00:07:11 | Obviously that's not happening
in the oval office, but he may
come to cameras outside the west
wing in the white house driveway
which is the place where cameras
are always staked out.
|
| 00:07:18 | And we could hear from the dalai
lama in person at that time.
|
| 00:07:25 | the
economy, new jobless numbers
show a surge in newly laid-off
workers.
|
| 00:07:29 | The labor department says
first-time claims for
unemployment benefits rose by
31,000.
|
| 00:07:34 | The gain dampens hopes about how
quickly the labor market may
improve this year.
|
| 00:07:38 | >>> And president obama is
taking on the ballooning deficit
today.
|
| 00:07:43 | A short time ago, in fact, the
president announced that he is
creating a new bipartisan
commission to deal with this
country's deficit.
|
| 00:07:50 | Former clinton white house chief
of staff erskine bowles and alan
simpson will co-chair the panel.
|
| 00:08:00 | In an effort to reduce the
deficit by 2015, he called for
patience.
|
| 00:08:04 | >> American's fiscal problems
won't be solved overnight.
|
| 00:08:07 | They've been growing for years.
|
| 00:08:08 | They're going to take time to
wind down.
|
| 00:08:09 | But with the commission that I'm
establishing today and the other
steps we're pursuing, I believe
we are finally putting america
on the path towards fiscal
reform and fiscal
responsibility.
|
| 00:08:21 | >> Now, the administration
forecasts the deficit will hit a
record $1.5 trillion this year.
|
| 00:08:26 | >>> And developing news from
outside of houston, texas, take
a look at this.
|
| 00:08:30 | 22 Train cars off the tracks
there.
|
| 00:08:33 | An evacuation initially ordered
for a one-mile radius has since
been lifted.
|
| 00:08:38 | So far no injuries reported.
|
| 00:08:39 | But officials are investigating
exactly what happened in that
big train derailment.
|
| 00:08:44 | >>> And now to haiti where two
of the ten american missionaries
arrested on those child
kidnapping charges are still
behind bars.
|
| 00:08:51 | But a judge released eight
others yesterday.
|
| 00:08:53 | They arrived in miami overnight,
and they are expected to head to
their homes in idaho and texas
as soon as today.
|
| 00:09:00 | So far the eight have declined
to answer any questions from
reporters.
|
| 00:09:04 | Nbc's ian williams is in
PORT-au-PRINCE WITH THE LATEST
On the two americans who are
still behind bars.
|
| 00:09:09 | What more can you tell us about
their status?
|
| 00:09:12 | >> Reporter: Good morning,
tamron.
|
| 00:09:14 | Well, those two remaining will
appear in court later today.
|
| 00:09:18 | The judge will be questioning
them.
|
| 00:09:21 | He wants to know what they were
doing on previous visits to
haiti.
|
| 00:09:24 | He also wants to try and find
out more about their
relationship with jorge quelo,
the lawyer advising the group.
|
| 00:09:35 | It turns out he's wanted for
people smuggling elsewhere.
|
| 00:09:38 | Now, the lawyer to the two
remaining missionaries said he
expects them to be released
within two or three days.
|
| 00:09:45 | Although court sources tell us
that's not necessarily the case.
|
| 00:09:48 | It is really entirely up to the
judge.
|
| 00:09:50 | Now, that said, my sense is the
judge was rather keen to see the
eight missionaries yesterday.
|
| 00:09:59 | They have very much overshadowed
the humanitarian effort here.
|
| 00:10:02 | They've been a distraction to
the government, to the judicial
system or what's left of it.
|
| 00:10:05 | They've also been a distraction
to the aid effort.
|
| 00:10:09 | And many agencies here going as
far as saying it damaged some of
their emergency efforts, their
efforts to legitimately take
people from here.
|
| 00:10:19 | So the speculation is that the
court will want to see -- to go
through the procedures, but to
see those two remaining
missionaries sent home.
|
| 00:10:28 | But there are still some
questions to be asked, tamron.
|
| 00:10:30 | >> All righty.
|
| 00:10:34 | Andank you very much.
|
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| 00:14:16 | >>> Welcome back.
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| 00:14:17 | We've got some breaking news out
of austin, texas, to report.
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| 00:14:20 | According to kxan, a small plane
has crashed into a building in
north texas.
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| 00:14:24 | The building is the echelon
building on mopack and 183.
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| 00:14:31 | No other details regarding
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| 00:14:33 | Crews are on the way.
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| 00:14:34 | But according to kxan, a small
plane has crashed into the
echelon building in austin,
texas.
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| 00:14:40 | We'll bring you more on that as
soon as we get it.
|
| 00:14:43 | >>> And tiger woods breaking his
silence tomorrow with his first
on-camera statement since that
sex scandal broke in november.
|
| 00:14:48 | And it's going to be held at the
tpc saw grass clubhouse in
florida.
|
| 00:14:54 | Only a select few reporters will
be allowed.
|
| 00:14:57 | Will also allow friends and a
couple colleagues to be there.
|
| 00:15:00 | There will be no questions
allowed.
|
| 00:15:01 | Joining me here in studio,
correspondent jeff
johnson and dave ziron, thank
you both for joining me.
|
| 00:15:10 | Dave, let me start off with you
on this.
|
| 00:15:11 | You've got a lot of people
saying what's the point?
|
| 00:15:13 | Tiger's not going to take any
questions.
|
| 00:15:15 | He could have released a
statement on paper.
|
| 00:15:17 | Is this the wrong way to go
about it?
|
| 00:15:18 | >> Well, yeah.
|
| 00:15:19 | I do think it's the wrong way to
go about it because there are
really two people on earth right
now.
|
| 00:15:24 | There are people who believe
that this story really needs to
go away.
|
| 00:15:29 | They hate the fact that it
ruined their thanksgiving and
their christmas.
|
| 00:15:32 | And then there are people who
want tiger to actually give a
pound of flesh.
|
| 00:15:36 | They want him on tv with oprah.
|
| 00:15:38 | They want the tears in his eyes.
|
| 00:15:40 | They want him begging for
forgiveness.
|
| 00:15:42 | And this type of news event,
this carefully choreographed
event, will satisfy neither of
those camps.
|
| 00:15:48 | And it's only going to raise
more questions.
|
| 00:15:51 | And specifically it's going to
raise the question, when will
tiger take questions?
|
| 00:15:56 | >> But jeff, let me ask you,
isn't this consistent, though,
with what tiger has always been?
|
| 00:15:59 | I mean, not -- certainly his
life has changed, but in the
past, since he became a
celebrity, a golf phenomenon, he
has controlled his message.
|
| 00:16:08 | So isn't this simply an
extension of really the person
he tried to bill all along?
|
| 00:16:12 | >> Well, it is an extension, but
he doesn't have the luxury for
that right now.
|
| 00:16:16 | What we're seeing is him taking
a page out of what not to do in
public relations 101.
|
| 00:16:21 | This is not a press conference.
|
| 00:16:22 | It's a public service
announcement.
|
| 00:16:24 | And at the end of the day, he
really could have just taped it
and put it on his website or do
something written.
|
| 00:16:30 | I think he does himself a
disservice to the fans that he's
trying to get back on his side.
|
| 00:16:34 | He does himself a disservice
because he doesn't seem as if
he's being transparent at this
point.
|
| 00:16:40 | And even those people that just
want to see him play golf again
want him to be able to do that
with a clean slate, not with all
these questions still in the
air.
|
| 00:16:47 | >> Jeff, you know, in this press
conference, once he makes this
statement, once he apologizes
and admits to the affairs which
he's already done, what
questions really are there to be
asked?
|
| 00:16:56 | I try to put myself in a
situation where you're a
reporter.
|
| 00:16:59 | What are you going to ask him
about the porn star?
|
| 00:17:01 | Are you going to ask him, was it
13, tiger, or was it 8?
|
| 00:17:04 | I mean, the bottom line is,
you're sorry, and when are you
going to get back to playing
golf?
|
| 00:17:08 | >> But tamron, the question is
why invite the press if you're
not allowing questions?
|
| 00:17:12 | So I don't think it's about at
this point what would we ask him
on the front end.
|
| 00:17:16 | It's about what would we ask him
in response to what he says.
|
| 00:17:19 | And because he's not allowing
that to happen, he's putting
himself in a difficult place.
|
| 00:17:24 | Where if he would have just
said, look, I'm going to take a
few questions that he could have
controlled, you wouldn't have
people casting him in this
pejorative light before he makes
a statement at all.
|
| 00:17:35 | >> Dave, when will he finally
get back to playing golf?
|
| 00:17:38 | We know the timing of this
statement, when accenture has a
big tournament, they dropped
him, one of the few big
companies, actually, who did
drop him.
|
| 00:17:46 | When is he going to play again?
|
| 00:17:47 | >> I think he's going to play
sooner rather than later.
|
| 00:17:50 | And I think this because he is
speaking opposite the accenture
tournament.
|
| 00:17:54 | Keep in mind that yesterday we
saw the first pictures of tiger
woods since who knows when.
|
| 00:17:58 | I thought he was rooming with
jimmy hoffa or something.
|
| 00:18:01 | And in the pictures where he was
running, everything on his body
had a nike swoosh on it.
|
| 00:18:06 | >> Yeah.
|
| 00:18:06 | >> I mean, he was --
>> he probably doesn't own
anything without a nike swoosh.
|
| 00:18:10 | But I want to put up again the
graphic of the schedule.
|
| 00:18:12 | Guys, put that back up.
|
| 00:18:13 | We've got the masters coming up.
|
| 00:18:15 | APRIL 5th.
|
| 00:18:17 | U.S. OPEN, JUNE 14th.
|
| 00:18:19 | August, we've got the pga
championship.
|
| 00:18:21 | If he goes to the masters, dave,
and blows everyone away, he's
getting in shape, he wins it
again, I'm throwing out
hypotheticals here, what
happens?
|
| 00:18:32 | >> What happens then is he wins
back the hardcore fans.
|
| 00:18:34 | He can continue to sell titleist
golf balls and nike products.
|
| 00:18:41 | But as far as the star who
fronts for corporations like
accenture or procter & gamble, i
fear those days might be done.
|
| 00:18:48 | Why I think he should dress in
all black, grow a goatee, I'm
telling you.
|
| 00:18:55 | I should be doing his marketing.
|
| 00:18:56 | >> That's a stretch.
|
| 00:18:57 | We've seen celebrities come back
from worse situations and be
able to gain back some of
theiren dorsmentes.
|
| 00:19:03 | Really this is going to be good
for golf.
|
| 00:19:04 | Tiger being at those tournaments
is as important for golf as it
is for tiger.
|
| 00:19:08 | >> And jeff, on that point as a
person who really doesn't watch
golf, I appreciate that it is a
sport.
|
| 00:19:15 | Really not into it.
|
| 00:19:15 | I guarantee you I'd be in front
of the television watching his
first tournament.
|
| 00:19:19 | Just to see.
|
| 00:19:19 | You want to see what happens.
|
| 00:19:21 | The atmosphere of it.
|
| 00:19:22 | I'm sure I'm not alone.
|
| 00:19:23 | But nevertheless, thank you
guys.
|
| 00:19:24 | Greatly appreciate it, jeff,
greatly thank you, and dave as
well.
|
| 00:19:27 | Thank you.
|
| 00:19:27 | And join us tomorrow.
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| 00:23:17 | >>> Welcome back.
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| 00:23:17 | We're following some breaking
news out of austin, texas.
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| 00:23:20 | This is the first images we're
getting in.
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| 00:23:22 | These are the first images we're
getting in of a small plane
crash into a building.
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| 00:23:26 | The building is called the
echelon building.
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| 00:23:30 | This is near highway 183 in
north austin.
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| 00:23:34 | No report -- no confirmation, i
should say, on injuries or any
fatalities.
|
| 00:23:39 | Getting information on this
echelon building, it's a
commercial building.
|
| 00:23:43 | It has what I'm being told a
number of businesses in it.
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| 00:23:46 | For example, at least according
to the website, a yoga studio,
for example, is in there.
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| 00:23:52 | We're working to get more on the
businesses in this echelon
building.
|
| 00:23:57 | But a small plane has crashed.
|
| 00:23:58 | You see the thick black smoke
there.
|
| 00:24:01 | They are diverting traffic, if i
can see this.
|
| 00:24:03 | It looks like they're maybe
moving traffic on the side of
the highway that is nearest the
building.
|
| 00:24:10 | You see a lot of people on the
exit ramp leaving there.
|
| 00:24:13 | But traffic is still flowing on
both sides here.
|
| 00:24:16 | But this small plane has
crashed.
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| 00:24:18 | We don't have a description of
the plane itself.
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| 00:24:20 | It's crashed into this building.
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| 00:24:21 | The 9400 block of research
boulevard near highway 183 in
north austin.
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| 00:24:27 | If you're in the texas area and
austin area, you'll be familiar
with this.
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| 00:24:30 | But we'll get more details on it
hopefully and more information
on the pilot and any people in
that building at the time.
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| 00:24:36 | >>> Also in today's tech watch,
a new virus has reportedly
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| 00:24:44 | Now, this virus collects user
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| 00:25:01 | The hackers are based out of
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| 00:25:02 | >>> And as always, there are
some stories out there that made
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| 00:25:07 | Let's start in massachusetts.
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| 00:25:08 | A 75-year-old woman foiled a
robbery by whacking the suspect
with a price scanner.
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| 00:25:14 | Watch her go after him.
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| 00:25:17 | He's 34 years old.
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| 00:25:18 | Less than half her age.
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| 00:25:19 | But obviously, he doesn't have
half of her courage or he
wouldn't be robbing the
7-eleven.
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| 00:25:24 | The would-be robber walked in,
tried to get into the register.
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| 00:25:27 | That's when granny went whaling
on him.
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| 00:25:29 | The suspect took off but police
did end up arresting that
individual.
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| 00:25:34 | And thank goodness she was not
hurt, obviously, because he
could have retaliated.
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| 00:25:36 | >>> And they are taking origami
to new heights in japan with a
new world record.
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| 00:25:42 | A giant paper crane built in
hiroshima has been recognized as
the largest ever.
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| 00:25:47 | It took three days and 800
people to make it.
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| 00:25:51 | It has a wingspan of nearly 270
feet.
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| 00:25:54 | Look at that.
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| 00:25:55 | It was meant to symbolize a wish
for world peace.
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| 00:25:59 | Japan set the previous record
nearly a decade ago.
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| 00:26:02 | >>> We're going to go back to
breaking news in austin, texas,
where a small plane has crashed
into a commercial building.
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| 00:26:08 | It's the echelon building.
|
| 00:26:10 | And from the information we've
been able to obtain online, it
houses businesses.
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| 00:26:17 | For example, the website for the
building indicates that it has a
yoga studio, for example, in
there.
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| 00:26:25 | And it's also a real estate
business in there.
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| 00:26:32 | 27
local time in austin.
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| 00:26:36 | And you see the traffic on both
sides.
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| 00:26:39 | This is highway 183.
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| 00:26:40 | We're getting a different
vantage point now.
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| 00:26:42 | You can't see the smoke from
there, but you see that the
traffic is slowing.
|
| 00:26:45 | We're working to get more
details on it.
|
| 00:26:47 | We'll bring it to you as soon as
we can.
|
| 00:26:48 | But this vantage point really
doesn't show us anything at this
point.
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| 00:26:52 | So we'll wait till we get more
video on this one.
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| 00:26:54 | >>> And right now president
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| 00:26:58 | A meeting which has angered
china.
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| 00:27:00 | >>> And the eight american
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| 00:30:12 | >>> Welcome back.
|
| 00:30:13 | We're getting more details on
that small plane crash in
austin, texas.
|
| 00:30:17 | Kxan is reporting that two
people are unaccounted for.
|
| 00:30:20 | Rescue efforts are under way.
|
| 00:30:22 | It's no word yet if the two
people are from the plane or
people in the building.
|
| 00:30:26 | As you can imagine, a small
plane hits a building, people
are going to run out of there.
|
| 00:30:31 | And we're not sure if they're
trying to account for folks who
were in that building or if
this -- if these two people that
they're saying are unaccounted
for are the pilot and a
passenger of that aircraft.
|
| 00:30:41 | Emergency officials are on the
scene.
|
| 00:30:45 | It's a seven-story building.
|
| 00:30:47 | One witness describes it, he was
working near there, describes it
as a huge fireball.
|
| 00:30:52 | And it went right into the
building.
|
| 00:30:56 | Again, this is a man who was
quoted near -- he was working
near highway 183 and says that
there was a huge fireball that
went right into the building.
|
| 00:31:06 | The fire chief there says that
the department has gone into a
defensive position, meaning that
firefighters have been ordered
to retreat from the building
because of danger.
|
| 00:31:15 | So we're working to more on
this one.
|
| 00:31:18 | But you see that black smoke on
the horizon there from the
building itself.
|
| 00:31:24 | What we've been able to find in
this information, and we hope
certainly that it is accurate,
is that this building houses a
realty company, a scientific
investigation, therapy, massage
building as well.
|
| 00:31:39 | Perhaps a professional education
center.
|
| 00:31:41 | These are some of the businesses
listed at that address where
we're getting the reports from
kxan.
|
| 00:31:48 | A small airplane has crashed
into that building.
|
| 00:31:50 | And the fire department is set
to be in a defensive position.
|
| 00:31:54 | And that they are retreating
from the building because of the
danger.
|
| 00:31:58 | So I don't know if they are
fearful of an explosion at this
point depending, obviously, on
what's in that building and
what's housed there.
|
| 00:32:07 | The emergency management
assistant director says that,
quote, we have no idea right now
if there arany patients or how
many.
|
| 00:32:17 | Referring to whether there are
any people in that plane who are
injured.
|
| 00:32:21 | We've got this report that there
are two people unaccounted for
at this time.
|
| 00:32:24 | So we're working to get more
details on this.
|
| 00:32:27 | Hopefully we can get someone on
the phone.
|
| 00:32:29 | We're working on getting someone
on the fire department.
|
| 00:32:32 | Again, just to reset this.
|
| 00:32:33 | So you'll know what we're
covering.
|
| 00:32:36 | This is in northwest austin at
an office building where a small
plane has crashed into a
commercial building.
|
| 00:32:44 | The emergency officials say it
is a seven-story building.
|
| 00:32:46 | They have no idea right now of
injuries.
|
| 00:32:49 | But two people, according to
kxan, unaccounted for at this
time.
|
| 00:32:53 | A witness there says that he was
driving near 183 when he saw a
small plane very low flying over
the highway.
|
| 00:33:02 | He said he saw it and then
banked heavily to the right
before heading into the
building.
|
| 00:33:07 | And this witness described
seeing at that point a huge
fireball.
|
| 00:33:11 | This is according to the
statesman.
|
| 00:33:14 | That's what you're looking at.
|
| 00:33:15 | The newspaper's website where
they are streaming in video, i
imagine, from a traffic camera
or something affiliated with
their newspaper.
|
| 00:33:22 | Usually you have traffic cameras
around these areas, especially
big highways like 183.
|
| 00:33:29 | They're feeding in their video
on their website.
|
| 00:33:32 | I know we're working to get
someone on the line from the
fire department hopefully to get
some more information.
|
| 00:33:37 | Who do we have?
|
| 00:33:41 | I'm sorry.
|
| 00:33:44 | I'm sorry, I believe we have
someone live on the line?
|
| 00:33:51 | Don compton, are you there, don?
|
| 00:33:54 | >> Yes, ma'am.
|
| 00:33:55 | >> Tell me what you see, what
you know.
|
| 00:33:57 | >> Actually, I am not on scene.
|
| 00:33:59 | I've got a pio en route.
|
| 00:34:01 | What I know is that we have a
small private plane that crashed
into a building, causing that
building to catch on fire.
|
| 00:34:07 | Our initial units did some
preliminary rescues.
|
| 00:34:10 | They're in the process of
setting up and fighting that
fire now.
|
| 00:34:16 | We had reports about ten minutes
ago of two people from the
building unaccounted for.
|
| 00:34:20 | So they were working on trying
to figure out where they would
be in the building and trying to
find them.
|
| 00:34:26 | So it is an ongoing process
right now.
|
| 00:34:28 | I do have a pio and some more
units en route.
|
| 00:34:32 | And we can give you some further
updates, maybe a little further
on this situation.
|
| 00:34:37 | >> Before we let you go, I've
got to ask you, there's a report
from fire chief rhoda mae kerr
that firefighters are in a
defensive position, meaning that
the firefighters have been
ordered to retreat from the
building because of danger.
|
| 00:34:48 | What can you tell me about the
danger there?
|
| 00:34:51 | Are they expecting an explosion?
|
| 00:34:54 | >> I don't know that it's so
much an explosion but probably
some instability in the
building.
|
| 00:34:58 | If you've got a quote already
from chief kerr, she is actually
on scene and much better to
answer any calls or questions
that you might have from there.
|
| 00:35:06 | >> Right.
|
| 00:35:06 | This is what the statesman, the
paper, there is reporting.
|
| 00:35:10 | But let me ask you because we're
looking at what I believe is a
traffic camera of the scene
there.
|
| 00:35:15 | You've got traffic still flowing
on both sides.
|
| 00:35:17 | Any word on if they're going to
block off -- that's highway 183,
right?
|
| 00:35:23 | >> Probably not the main
highway.
|
| 00:35:25 | We may block off some of the
frontage roads and some of the
other roads around this
building.
|
| 00:35:29 | We try not to shut down those
main arteries of traffic because
that causes almost more problems
than it fixes.
|
| 00:35:33 | >> Well, it looks like the black
smoke is sailing across 183.
|
| 00:35:39 | I imagine it makes it tough to
drive through.
|
| 00:35:41 | That if this picture is giving
an accurate detailing of the
visibility, one side of 183, you
can barely see if u're
driving.
|
| 00:35:50 | >> In that case, you know, there
would be a call on whether they
feel it's too unsafe for the
drivers to actually drive
through there.
|
| 00:36:00 | >> Authorities report it's the
echelon building, seven stories.
|
| 00:36:03 | Do you know any more about the
building?
|
| 00:36:04 | >> No, ma'am, we don't have all
of that information.
|
| 00:36:06 | We're very preliminary into
this.
|
| 00:36:08 | Like I said, I've got a pio that
is on scene that will be doing
some further updates as we go
along in this incident.
|
| 00:36:14 | >> All right, dawn, thank you
very much.
|
| 00:36:16 | I greatly appreciate it.
|
| 00:36:17 | I think we have someone on the
line who works in the building.
|
| 00:36:19 | Sir, let me get your name.
|
| 00:36:22 | >> Yes, my name is ben, i
actually work in the building
next door to the building.
|
| 00:36:27 | >> Ben, you work next door.
|
| 00:36:28 | What did you hear and see?
|
| 00:36:32 | >> What I heard from my
employees in the building was
that there was an explosion and
that they have been told that
there had been a plane crash.
|
| 00:36:40 | Again, that is thirdhand.
|
| 00:36:42 | So I don't know that that is, in
fact, correct.
|
| 00:36:43 | >> And your building is next
door.
|
| 00:36:45 | Do you know anything about the
building that the small plane
hit?
|
| 00:36:50 | >> Well, I understand that there
are some -- obviously, there are
other officers in there
including -- I've been told
there's an irs office in that
building, but I don't know that
that is correct.
|
| 00:37:01 | >> How close are you right now
to where this is all happening?
|
| 00:37:04 | >> Caller: I couldn't get that
close.
|
| 00:37:06 | Right now I'm about half a mile
away.
|
| 00:37:08 | I was able to drive by on 183,
as you were just talking about.
|
| 00:37:12 | You can see significant holes in
the side of the building, and
there's flames coming through
the windows.
|
| 00:37:17 | >> So you still see flames
there?
|
| 00:37:19 | >> Caller: Not from the angle
that I am at, but I'm not at the
same angle I was at before.
|
| 00:37:24 | >> But when you were driving
near there, you actually saw --
and how long ago was that, ben?
|
| 00:37:28 | >> Caller: I would say about ten
minutes ago.
|
| 00:37:30 | >> About ten minutes ago.
|
| 00:37:33 | Again, back to this area,
because we're hearing that it's
the echelon building, that it's
a seven-story building.
|
| 00:37:38 | And we're looking at both taped
and live images.
|
| 00:37:41 | And it's hard to tell if any of
these buildings are really tall
there.
|
| 00:37:44 | It looks like just a regular
commercial kind of business
area.
|
| 00:37:47 | >> Caller: That is correct.
|
| 00:37:50 | There's, I believe, four or five
buildings in the echelon
complex.
|
| 00:37:53 | None of them are that tall.
|
| 00:37:56 | It's not a huge, huge office
complex by any stretch.
|
| 00:37:58 | >> All right, ben, thank you
very much for getting us that
information of what you were
able to see, working very near
there.
|
| 00:38:04 | Greatly appreciate it.
|
| 00:38:05 | Be safe, ben.
|
| 00:38:07 | Thank you.
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| 00:38:07 | >>> We'll be back with more on
this breaking news out of
austin, texas.
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| 00:41:21 | >>> Welcome back.
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| 00:41:21 | We're following breaking news
out of austin, texas.
|
| 00:41:24 | We're getting new images in of
this small plane crash to a
building in austin.
|
| 00:41:28 | According to the reports from
kxan there, the collision shook
the entire building and the
entire front of the structure is
gone and on fire.
|
| 00:41:37 | That is according to some
information they are receiving
from witnesses.
|
| 00:41:41 | And there are four separate
fires reportedly burning in the
building.
|
| 00:41:45 | Some 50 to 100 people are said
to be outside and watching this.
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| 00:41:49 | Let's listen into the local
affiliate there.
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| 00:41:52 | >> Reporter: If you can hear us,
tell us the latest.
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| 00:41:56 | All right.
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| 00:41:57 | I know matt's there because i
can hear him.
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| 00:41:59 | So when we have matt
established, let me know.
|
| 00:42:01 | As you can imagine, just a crazy
scene.
|
| 00:42:03 | And he's continuing to gather
information for us.
|
| 00:42:08 | What's that?
|
| 00:42:11 | Yeah, that's the latest picture
you're looking at right there.
|
| 00:42:13 | >> Reporter: I want to show you
the scene.
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| 00:42:17 | This is a very chaotic scene
right here at mopac and 183.
|
| 00:42:21 | Take a look at this building
back here.
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| 00:42:23 | This is what we understand to be
the echelon building.
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| 00:42:25 | And there has been a plane that
has crashed into this building
here earlier this morning.
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| 00:42:32 | This is at the corner of mopack
and 183.
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| 00:42:36 | If you're familiar with this
area, this is n
dave & buster's, marie
callendar's, some different
businesses near the arboretum
area near grace church up here.
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| 00:42:48 | And we understand there are lots
of offices and different people
inside this building this
morning.
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| 00:42:55 | It doesn't look to be a good
scene inside.
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| 00:43:00 | We don't know if there were
survivors or not inside this
building.
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| 00:43:04 | We've seen some ems folks out
here this morning.
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| 00:43:07 | But you've got to believe there
were some people who were at
least injured or hurt, maybe
even killed in this scene this
morning here at the corner of
mopack and 183.
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| 00:43:16 | We understand it was a small
plane, a cherokee.
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| 00:43:18 | There was a pilot here this
morning who witnessed the scene.
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| 00:43:22 | And we're trying to get some
more information from him about
what he actually saw.
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| 00:43:27 | He said he believed the plane
actually almost hit him.
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| 00:43:30 | This is pretty amazing.
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| 00:43:31 | We believe that we can see where
that plane actually hit.
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| 00:43:35 | Mark, if you can see the brown
dirt right there, that's maybe
where the plane actually hit
right into that building.
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| 00:43:41 | That looks to be the biggest
point of impact right there.
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| 00:43:47 | And some amazing pictures,
really, this morning.
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| 00:43:50 | We saw this entire building on
fire.
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| 00:43:52 | Obviously, nothing I have ever
seen here in austin, texas,
before.
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| 00:43:57 | >> Reporter: Our matt fleener
live on the scene there.
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| 00:43:59 | And you can see that brown dirt,
that's where that retaining wall
is.
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| 00:44:04 | >> Reporter: Unfortunately,
chris or whoever is back in the
studio right now, I can't hear
you, unfortunately, but we do
see lots of firefighters out
here.
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| 00:44:12 | The highways are still open.
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| 00:44:13 | Now, we can see people coming
off of the entrance ramp from
183.
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| 00:44:19 | They're going north on 183.
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| 00:44:21 | Traffic south on 183 is still
open.
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| 00:44:23 | Obviously, this would be a huge
mess up here if they close these
highways.
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| 00:44:27 | The highways are still open.
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| 00:44:29 | But, wow, what a scene up here.
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| 00:44:31 | Really lots of law enforcement
personnel.
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| 00:44:34 | We've probably seen in the
upwards of 80 to 90 law
enforcement personnel up here
today.
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| 00:44:39 | We see lots of people standing
around, milling around, as well,
trying to figure out what
exactly happened.
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| 00:44:46 | Presumably these were people --
mark, you can see some of these
people that are here.
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| 00:44:50 | If you take a picture all the
way over there across the
highway, you can still see
people that are outside.
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| 00:44:56 | They've marked the area off with
yellow tape.
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| 00:45:00 | You can see people, obviously,
looking around, trying to figure
out what exactly happened here
early this morning.
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| 00:45:07 | We don't know the exact time of
what happened this morning.
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| 00:45:09 | We're supposed to get some more
information hopefully here
within the next hour or two from
the austin police department.
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| 00:45:15 | I'm looking around, once again,
just going to do a real quick
survey of the scene.
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| 00:45:20 | I see an atf agent over there,
there's the austin police
department.
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| 00:45:24 | We see lots of other people as
well.
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| 00:45:29 | >> Okay.
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| 00:45:30 | That's the spot we want to look
at right there because that
appears to be point of impact.
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| 00:45:33 | And that appears to be plane
re
remnants.
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| 00:45:39 | >> Could be air conditioning.
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| 00:45:39 | >> I'm not an aviation expert by
any stretch of the imagination.
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| 00:45:43 | That brown dirt there, as you're
looking live at it, from what
we're telling now, appears that
it could be the point of impact.
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| 00:45:51 | Our carlos was also on the scene
and joins us now with another
perspective.
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| 00:45:56 | Carla?
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| 00:45:56 | >> Reporter: Yeah, chris, I'm
actually here at 183 and 360.
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| 00:46:02 | There is a complete wall here.
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| 00:46:03 | And the freeway here is -- the
roads are going very, very slow.
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| 00:46:06 | Traffic is moving very slow.
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| 00:46:08 | You can see thick black smoke
billowing from the building.
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| 00:46:12 | The williamson county
constable's office has shut down
part of 360 here where it meets
with 183.
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| 00:46:18 | I talked to some folks who work
over at the bank of america
which is a good half mile on the
other side of the freeway.
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| 00:46:25 | 00
they felt a huge blast.
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| 00:46:29 | They went outside and saw smoke
billowing from the building.
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| 00:46:33 | They say that their building
shook.
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| 00:46:35 | We're also hearing that they
have -- on the scene they are
doing a roll call and trying to
make sure that everyone is
accounted for.
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| 00:46:44 | But right here at 183 and 360,
there's just, I would say,
dozens of law enforcement
officials out here.
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| 00:46:50 | We also keep hearing fire trucks
which are rushing over to the
scene, trying to make their way
through traffic.
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| 00:46:57 | So very tense situation here
right now.
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| 00:47:00 | >> All right.
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| 00:47:03 | Again, carla castano on the
scene.
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| 00:47:05 | That could be the shot so far
that tells the biggest story.
|
| 00:47:07 | That's the front of -- and just
to recap, this is just happening
as we're continuing the day.
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| 00:47:13 | So it is continuing to come in,
the information.
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| 00:47:17 | A small airplane has crashed
into the echelon building.
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| 00:47:20 | And again, that's 9430 research
boulevard, building one.
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| 00:47:24 | And from some of the witnesses
that we have had joining us
today, that retaining wall that
goes in front of that building
appears to be completely
demolished.
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| 00:47:33 | And the focus of a lot of
emergency operations right now,
as you can imagine, you are
going to see just about every
kind of emergency personnel in
central texas on the scene of
that as well as probably the
federal government.
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| 00:47:46 | Let's go back to our matt
fleener who is there live now.
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| 00:47:49 | And matt, is that -- first of
all, can you hear me?
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| 00:47:52 | And second of all, is that point
of dirt that you were showing
us, does that appear from your
perspective to be an impact
point?
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| 00:48:01 | >> Reporter: Chris, I had a
little trouble hearing you, but
I heard something about impact.
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| 00:48:06 | We believe -- I want to show you
where we believe this impact
happened.
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| 00:48:11 | Right back here straight ahead,
mark, if you can show it, you
can see it looks like it went in
on the bottom floor of this
building right here.
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| 00:48:19 | And getting my bearings straight
here, that would be coming from
the north to the south, almost
duesouth, almost due
south-southwest into this
building right here, across 183.
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| 00:48:35 | So this had to be flying, just
feet above cars here on 183.
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| 00:48:41 | An amazing sight.
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| 00:48:42 | And you can see that fire has
raced all the way to the top of
the building.
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| 00:48:47 | We're still unclear of any
injuries at this point.
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| 00:48:50 | We have yet t briefed by the
austin police department.
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| 00:48:54 | Obviously, everybody's trying to
figure out where everybody else
is at this morning, but we've
seen two ladder trucks for the
austin fire department dousing
this building with hoses and
some material that would put out
the fire.
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| 00:49:07 | The smoke is still going from
this building, as you can see.
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| 00:49:10 | You can see lots of water that's
coming down.
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| 00:49:12 | We've seen parts of the building
just falling, collapsing this
morning.
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| 00:49:16 | It's been amazing to actually
watch this building fall and
crumble apart.
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| 00:49:20 | You can see the retaining wall
has completely been demolished.
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| 00:49:24 | We believe -- I don't know,
mark, if you can zoom in a
little bit, even closer, I'm
trying to figure out what that
part of a possible plane is.
|
| 00:49:32 | We saw -- or we heard a witness
this morning who said he saw the
plane just come right over him.
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| 00:49:38 | He was a former pilot and he
believed this to be a cherokee
140.
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| 00:49:42 | Now, that is not confirmed
whatsoever.
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| 00:49:44 | But he was a former pilot, a
former flight instructor.
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| 00:49:47 | He said that it looked like a
cherokee 140 plane that was
inside this building.
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| 00:49:52 | Chris?
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| 00:49:54 | >> And matt, have you heard
anything about the search for
survivors inside that building
or anything like that?
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| 00:50:01 | >> Reporter: Well, I'll tell you
what, kate, we're across the
highway from exactly where this
building is at.
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| 00:50:05 | I can tell you, it's been kind
of eerie, because I don't see
anyone going into the building
itself.
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| 00:50:13 | There may being firefighters on
the other side of this building
or ems personnel, trying to get
people out, but it looks like --
it looks like nobody is going
into the building, at least from
this side of the building.
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| 00:50:25 | We do see one ems uck over
there, but we're unsure if
there's more ems vehicles on the
other side of the building
across from us.
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| 00:50:34 | >> Okay.
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| 00:50:35 | Our matt flener on the scene.
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| 00:50:36 | Matt, we'll continue to check in
with you.
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| 00:50:38 | >> Reporter: Sure.
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| 00:50:39 | >> Boy, great perspective on
those pictures.
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| 00:50:41 | If that's mark on that camera,
tell him to keep those shots,
because that's a great
reference.
|
| 00:50:46 | We've been getting e-mails,
obviously, and phone calls.
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| 00:50:48 | One of the viewers that called
actually works in that building.
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| 00:50:53 | He's home today because his
child was sick.
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| 00:50:55 | >> Again, we're watching
breaking news out of north
austin where a small plane has
crashed into a build in austin,
texas.
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| 00:51:01 | Let's go to nbc's tom costello,
aviation reporter,
transportation reporter for us
here.
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| 00:51:07 | Tom, we heard one witness say
that he believes it's a cherokee
140 small airplane.
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| 00:51:10 | That's what the reporter on the
scene was told by a witness.
|
| 00:51:13 | Tell me a little bit more about
that aircraft, if that is, in
fact, the one involved.
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| 00:51:17 | >> Well, the piper cherokee is
really a family of planes.
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| 00:51:21 | It dates back to the early 1960
and there are a variety of
models of them, but they seat
generally about six passengers.
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| 00:51:27 | It's a single engine
piston-powered propeller plane.
|
| 00:51:31 | Very reliable and used
throughout the country by small
aviation enthusiasts.
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| 00:51:36 | In other words, private pilots.
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| 00:51:37 | What I noticed here, and I think
it's important to notice, the
fire damage to the front of that
building, I think, is extensive.
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| 00:51:42 | Which leads me to one of two
thoughts.
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| 00:51:45 | Number one, either the plane was
completely loaded with fuel,
because perhaps it had just
taken off from a nearby airport,
or number two, that it may not
be a cherokee.
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| 00:51:55 | I only say that because a
cherokee's a very small plane
and I am candidly surprised at
the extent of fire damage on the
side of this building.
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| 00:52:05 | Nonetheless, we would tell you
that, of course, the piper and
the -- the piper cherokee is
well known to aviation
enthusiasts across the country
as a reliable single engine
private plane.
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| 00:52:16 | You can see it at virtually
every airport in the country
right now and the extent of
damage here is quite remarkable.
|
| 00:52:22 | >> And tom, to your point about
whether this point was full of
fuel, the nearest airport is
austin berkstram international
airport.
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| 00:52:31 | That's about 15 miles away there
there.
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| 00:52:37 | >> I don't know the plane was
departing or if it was arriving,
but if it was departing loaded
with fuel, that would be one
explanation.
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| 00:52:44 | Also take note of the large
number of law enforcement
personnel on the scene.
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| 00:52:48 | That one eyewitness that we had
on the phone said that he
thought there was a government
office inside that building.
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| 00:52:54 | Perhaps the irs.
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| 00:52:55 | We can tell you that that is
certainly going to be an
immediate focus.
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| 00:52:59 | Was this intentional or was it
an accident.
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| 00:53:03 | And if it was intentional --
>> the irs, the cia, and the fbi
all have offices in that
building, and that's coming from
officials there.
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| 00:53:09 | >> Well, then, clearly you've
got to wonder whether there was
some sort of criminal intent
here when you have that degree
of damage to a build with a
private plane.
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| 00:53:20 | And I think that, clearly, the
police and the federal
investigators are going to be
looking into that.
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| 00:53:24 | >> Tom, thank you very much.
|
| 00:53:27 | Let me bring in greg fie, former
ntsb investigator.
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| 00:53:35 | Greg, the damage to the front of
this building, extensive.
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| 00:53:39 | A huge hole.
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| 00:53:40 | What do you see here that struck
you already?
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| 00:53:43 | >> Well, in looking at the
damage to the building, and
there is one shot of the
remnants of the airplane, it
does look like maybe a
horizontal stabilizer of the
airplane.
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| 00:53:56 | So if it is this single-engine
airplane and it was full of
fuel, you're going to have
around probably 40 gallons of
aviation fuel, that if the
airport hit the building and
spread that fuel over a large
area, depending on the
construction of that building,
there's a probability that you
could create a widespread fire.
|
| 00:54:18 | But, again, we don't know what
was in the airplane.
|
| 00:54:20 | There could have been some
additional incendiary device, if
this was an intentional act,
that could have proliferated the
fire, itself.
|
| 00:54:29 | >> According to the report from
kxan, there were four separate
fires burning in that building
itself.
|
| 00:54:35 | I'm not sure if you heard some
of the witnesses say that the
plane was flying solo.
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| 00:54:41 | One man even said it was solo.
|
| 00:54:42 | He said he thought it was going
to hit him as it flew into the
side of thissing building.
|
| 00:54:48 | >> Well, again, you know,
looking at the weather today,
you have to look at it from an
investigative standpoint.
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| 00:54:55 | If there was a mechanical
problem with the airplane, that
the pilot was trying to find an
emergency landing area, the last
thing a pilot wants to do is hit
anything, especially a building.
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| 00:55:07 | He would look for, or she would
look for the highway or some
clear area to put the airplane
down.
|
| 00:55:13 | So for the airplane to have hit
this building, one of the things
that the investigators are going
to start with is looking at
radar data, if it's available,
and trying to determine if this
was an intentional act or not.
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| 00:55:26 | >> Does it tell you anything,
reports are that the entire
building shook.
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| 00:55:29 | And you said there, as a result
of the impact, the entire front
of the structure, beyond the
smoke we can see, according to
reports, is gone.
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| 00:55:39 | >> Well, the airplane, if it is
a cherokee 140 or something of
that size, a single-engine
piper -- we're not even sure if
it's that -- but if it's a
single-engine airplane, the fact
that you've got a 2,000-pound
airplane that strikes this
building, you'll get some
residual vibration throughout
the structure.
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| 00:56:01 | The key here was, was there some
other incendiary or
explosive-type device, if this
was an intentional act, to do
harm to the people or this
building, could there vfb
something else that created a
secondary explosion, which
contributed to these multiple
fires and the vibration that was
felt throughout the entire
building.
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| 00:56:19 | >> How soon would we able to get
information on the flight plan,
you know, who owned the
aircraft.
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| 00:56:25 | The nearest airport is austin
berkstrum international airport
and that's about 15 miles away.
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| 00:56:31 | As they try to deal with the
situation, account for people,
get folks out of there who may
still be in that building, how
soon would they have the basic
information, the nature of the
flight plan of this aircraft?
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| 00:56:44 | >> I'm sure that inquiry has
already been made to the
airports, to determine if that
airplane originated from austin
or even flew through or around
that air space.
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| 00:56:53 | The key here is getting the
identification number for the
airplane.
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| 00:56:57 | That will then allow
investigators to find out who
the registered owner was.
|
| 00:57:01 | Now, the registered owner
doesn't necessarily mean that
they are the pilot of that
airplane.
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| 00:57:07 | So, you know, you could have a
stolen airplane situation here,
so there's still a lot of
investigative work, but I'm sure
that the initial inquiries to
the airport is to determine if
the airplane was based in austin
and if anybody had contact with
this pilot or pilots, depending
on how many people are in this
airplane.
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| 00:57:25 | I'm sure that that inquiry has
already taken place at the
airport.
|
| 00:57:30 | >> All right, greg, thank you
very much.
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| 00:57:31 | A former investigator with ntsb.
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| 00:57:34 | Thank you, greg feith.
|
| 00:57:38 | A small plane has crashed into a
commercial building in austin,
texas.
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| 00:57:42 | At one point, fire officials
were cling back members of the
fire department.
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| 00:57:45 | They were concerned about the
structure itself.
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| 00:57:46 | A gaping hole in the side or the
front of this building.
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| 00:57:51 | It's at highway 183 in north
austin.
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| 00:57:53 | Let me send it over to my
colleague, contessa brewer.
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| 00:57:59 | She continues our coverage.
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| 00:58:01 | >> The big headline coming out
of this in terms of the people
involved is that two people
remain unaccounted for at this
hour, approaching noon here on
out
west.
|
| 00:58:12 | We're following breaking news
out of austin, texas.
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| 00:58:15 | Kxan over the scene now, showing
some of the video coming in.
|
| 00:58:18 | An office building right next to
183 and near the north mopac
expressway has been hit by a
small plane.
|
| 00:00:00 | Rich, one for
the rest of us.
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| 00:00:02 | As you pointed out his
patriotism cost him $40,000, 10
years of his wife, set back his
retirement to zero.
|
| 00:00:13 | He talks about his wife.
|
| 00:00:16 | We know she was in the home when
he set that on fire.
|
| 00:00:18 | He talks about her unreported
income.
|
| 00:00:20 | Neighbors were able to help his
wife cheryl and their daughter
safely get out of that home.
|
| 00:00:26 | Joseph stack was gone at that
time presumably headed to the
airport in goernltown, texas, to
get his airplane that was housed
there.
|
| 00:00:36 | Pete, back to what we were
discussing.
|
| 00:00:38 | In this note he goes on to say
he reached out to everyone.
|
| 00:00:40 | He says, I spent $5,000 of my
pocket change and at least 1,000
hours of my time mailing to any
senator, congressman, governor
who would listen.
|
| 00:00:51 | Would the irs likely have a
record of someone who was
constantly, I guess, beating
them down, angry about his or
her situation?
|
| 00:01:00 | >> Well, they would.
|
| 00:01:02 | Of course they would.
|
| 00:01:03 | And it looks like he was
involved in some litigation with
the irs as well.
|
| 00:01:09 | We should probably say here,
tamron, it isn't specifically
aimed just -- this diatribe on
the web isn't aimed just at the
irs.
|
| 00:01:18 | It's a general sort of beef
against the government in
general, against the bailout for
big corporate companies, against
the health care plan, the
failure, lack of a health care
plan.
|
| 00:01:28 | But he then goes on to recite a
long history of problems with
the tax law and with the irs.
|
| 00:01:37 | >> He has specific details of
tax codes he felt he fell under,
mentions a tax accountant.
|
| 00:01:44 | Brings us back to the fact the
irs was housed in that building.
|
| 00:01:47 | If he has -- the wording here --
reached out to everyone and was
complaining, I believe we could
say he knew the irs was in that
building.
|
| 00:01:58 | Not a random building on 183 in
north austin, especially when
you read this manifesto down to
the specific detailing of the
tax code.
|
| 00:02:09 | We don't want to go too far but
want to be logical combining
what we're reading and hearing
from the authorities.
|
| 00:02:16 | Contessa.
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| 00:02:17 | >> This is the way joe stack was
saying good-bye.
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| 00:02:19 | He ends this manifesto, well,
big brother, irs man, let's
try something different.
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| 00:02:25 | Take my pound of flesh and sleep
well.
|
| 00:02:27 | He dates this joe stack 1956
through 2010, dated 02-18 iowa
2010.
|
| 00:02:40 | Tom costello has more on that.
|
| 00:02:43 | What do investigators know about
how this crash unfolded.
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| 00:02:48 | >> Reporter: We know the first
calls on the house fire came in
at 9:15.
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| 00:02:51 | 55 the plane down call came
out.
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| 00:02:54 | So this was a very short period
of time under which you can see
the plane -- house fire was
called in and 30 minutes later
or so the plane was down.
|
| 00:03:05 | Whatever happened it was very
deliberate, very quick.
|
| 00:03:08 | We can also tell you, as you
would expect, the ntsb will
investigate the plane crash and
they will be joined by local
authorities and the fbi if
there's reason to believe a
government office, the irs, was
targeted in this crash.
|
| 00:03:22 | We can also tell you joseph
stack did, indeed, own a piper
cherokee aircraft we've been
recording.
|
| 00:03:28 | It was registered to his
business address in california.
|
| 00:03:31 | The address for which his
software business was also
registered.
|
| 00:03:35 | It was a piper cherokee, single
engine plane.
|
| 00:03:39 | It can seat anywhere from six
passengers, carry somewhere in
the neighborhood of 40 gallons
of fuel or so.
|
| 00:03:48 | What many came concerned about
early on and witnesses are
concerned about, when they said
this plane seemed to
deliberately come down at a very
steep angle of attack and seemed
to be being flown well, if you
will, a deliberate angle of
attack towards that plane.
|
| 00:04:07 | It was blue sky day.
|
| 00:04:08 | They were immediately concerned
about the fact this may not have
been an accident.
|
| 00:04:11 | Clearly that's the question now.
|
| 00:04:14 | Was this an accident, terrific
coincidence or a deliberate
attack on a building that
contains the irs offices.
|
| 00:04:21 | >> The austin fire department
says two people have been
injured.
|
| 00:04:24 | One we know was severely burned
and sent to the burn center in
san antonio from the hospital in
austin.
|
| 00:04:31 | Another is there in the hospital
in austin.
|
| 00:04:33 | There's also one office worker
unaccounted for.
|
| 00:04:35 | This is a person who was
scheduled to be at work today.
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| 00:04:39 | They don't know where this
person is.
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| 00:04:41 | So they are working to try and
confirm where this particular
office worker is.
|
| 00:04:47 | The faa suppose person says this
pilot, joseph stack, did not
file a flightplan.
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| 00:04:53 | But in this case, tom, that
would be normal, if you were
going to take a small plane
trip, right in it's not out of
the ordinary for a flight plane
not to be filed.
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| 00:05:04 | >> If his intentions were
benign.
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| 00:05:07 | Let's underscore this, if his
intentions were benign, if he
were going to fly below 1,000
feet he would not file a
flightplan, unless he goes into
a metro area, terminal area
around the airport.
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| 00:05:22 | Clearly austin airport is big
enough you should be filing a
flightplan if you're flying
anywhere near the airport or
austin.
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| 00:05:33 | If he were flying in the country
side below 1,000, no.
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| 00:05:37 | >> If you were planning to
target --
>> you wouldn't bother.
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| 00:05:42 | >> You don't care about flight
plans.
|
| 00:05:46 | Thanks forth new information you
keep bringing to the table.
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| 00:05:48 | Tamron, we believe that's the
tail of the plane.
|
| 00:05:53 | >> Let's go to christopher,
emergency department medical
director for university medical
center from breckenridge.
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| 00:06:03 | What can you tell us.
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| 00:06:05 | >> We did see two people here.
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| 00:06:06 | One was a burn patient, as
you've reported.
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| 00:06:10 | He was transferred to the brooke
army medical center in san
antonio after being stabilized
here with burns that comprised
about 20% body surface area,
none of which were expected to
be life threatening.
|
| 00:06:23 | The other victim suffered smoke
inhalation and is currently
receiving treatment for that at
university medical center at
breckenridge and is in stable
condition.
|
| 00:06:36 | >> Were both in the building at
the time?
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| 00:06:38 | >> Yes.
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| 00:06:38 | >> So far you've not heard of
other jures, even minor ones in
your facility?
|
| 00:06:45 | >> That's correct.
|
| 00:06:46 | In fact, we've called around to
all the hospitals in the area
and no one has had any traffic
and no ems traffic related to
this incident.
|
| 00:06:55 | >> That's amazing news.
|
| 00:06:57 | I'm not sure if you've seen live
coverage, but this building, the
front of it, is gone from the
impact of the crash.
|
| 00:07:04 | There were people inside.
|
| 00:07:05 | At this point you now have two
jures.
|
| 00:07:07 | Tell me a little bit more about
the burn injury.
|
| 00:07:11 | You said they weren't life
threatening?
|
| 00:07:14 | >> That's correct.
|
| 00:07:15 | Apparently my understanding this
individual was standing with his
back to the window and his
office was one of the ones
struck.
|
| 00:07:22 | His clothing started on fire on
the back side.
|
| 00:07:25 | His shirt which he ripped off
over his head.
|
| 00:07:28 | His burns were limited to the
area that covered his shirt.
|
| 00:07:32 | >> Did the two people treated
there explain how they were able
to get out of there?
|
| 00:07:38 | Did you get any insight on what
they saw?
|
| 00:07:41 | >> I did not.
|
| 00:07:42 | I heard only from smoke
inhalation victim directly.
|
| 00:07:46 | He mainly talked about how
grateful he was for the
extremely quick response of ems
and fire and the pivotal role
they played in getting everyone
out.
|
| 00:07:58 | He expressed that he just really
wants us to finish up his care
so he could go to church and
pray.
|
| 00:08:05 | >> My goodness.
|
| 00:08:06 | You expect to release him soon?
|
| 00:08:08 | >> Win the next few hours.
|
| 00:08:09 | >> Christopher, thank you very
much.
|
| 00:08:11 | I'm sure your whole team was on
the ready to help anyone who may
have been injured in there.
|
| 00:08:17 | Thank you very much.
|
| 00:08:18 | We appreciate it.
|
| 00:08:19 | >> You're welcome.
|
| 00:08:20 | >> Let's send it back over.
|
| 00:08:23 | >> Two eyewitnesses describing
what they saw with the plane
crash from our affiliate.
|
| 00:08:30 | >> Coming from that derrek, it
was like it was swooping down
like it was going to buzz the
apartments.
|
| 00:08:36 | It looked like he had full
control, like he was just going
to come real close to the
apartments and come right back
us.
|
| 00:08:44 | As soon as he cleared the
apartments, it was like he
dropped down.
|
| 00:08:48 | We saw like a ball of flames as
big or tall or taller than the
apartment itself.
|
| 00:08:58 | >> It was a speedy dive.
|
| 00:09:00 | It was between the first and
second floor of echelon three.
|
| 00:09:06 | >> Can you tell our viewers
where it exactly hit?
|
| 00:09:09 | >> See that smoke?
|
| 00:09:11 | >> Yeah.
|
| 00:09:12 | >> Right there.
|
| 00:09:13 | See the retaining wall?
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| 00:09:15 | >> Yes.
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| 00:09:15 | >> Right above the retaining
wall and into the building.
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| 00:09:19 | A gigantic fireball came out 50
feet wide, then windows blew out
and insulation blew out.
|
| 00:09:27 | >> There you're hearing some of
the eyewitnesses that talked to
kxan reporters on the ground.
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| 00:09:33 | Aerial from woai.
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| 00:09:35 | You can see the debris spreading
out into the research boulevard.
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| 00:09:40 | The result of that plane crash.
|
| 00:09:42 | Coming up, talking to the former
chairman of ntsb how former
investigators go about piecing
together this puzzle.
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| 00:09:53 | Why did he fly into the
building?
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| 00:09:56 | What was his state of mind, what
did he learn?
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| 00:09:58 | Quick break, we'll be right
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| 00:13:15 | >>> Welcome back.
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| 00:13:16 | We're following breaking news
out of austin texas.
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| 00:13:18 | Governor rick perry was just
talk ag short time ago.
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| 00:13:23 | Let's listen in.
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| 00:13:24 | >> In a free society.
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| 00:13:26 | The balance is finding how to
protect the people and also
protect their freedoms and
liberties, whether it's allowing
ease of access into the state
capital.
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| 00:13:40 | I hope we don't turn our capital
into dfw or bush international
airport from the standpoint of
security.
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| 00:13:55 | Texans still have freedom to
come and go and don't feel like
they are being inappropriately
hassled.
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| 00:14:03 | The other side of that is we
have people's safety.
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| 00:14:08 | So it is always ae between
anarchy and tyranny, always has
been.
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| 00:14:17 | Thank you all.
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| 00:14:19 | >> Thanks, governor.
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| 00:14:20 | >> That was governor rick
of texas.
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| 00:14:25 | Ending his comments on anarchy
and tyranny.
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| 00:14:28 | We're going to listen to more of
what he had to say there.
|
| 00:14:31 | I say that because we had
interesting comments from a man
who is angry with the government
and may have allegedly targeted
this irs, this building that
houses the irs because of anger
with the government.
|
| 00:14:43 | We'll talk much more about them
in a second.
|
| 00:14:45 | Let's go to former ntsb
investigator greg pike, who is a
pilot always.
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| 00:14:52 | Thanks for joining us.
|
| 00:14:53 | We know the ntsb is on its way
there.
|
| 00:14:56 | What will they do in their
inin
light of all the information coming in on
joseph stack,
including the manifesto he wrote
at the government, irs, just
about anyone.
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| 00:15:07 | He was angry within the
>> the ntsb will work in concert
with the fbi, given the fact
this could be a criminal event,
the fbi is going to want to
preserve the evidence as much as
possible.
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| 00:15:21 | Ntsb by its nature investigates
incidents and accidents.
|
| 00:15:25 | Yet this was an intentional act.
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| 00:15:27 | In this classification, they
could see this as a suicide.
|
| 00:15:30 | They want to work in concert
with the fbi to preserve
evidence.
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| 00:15:34 | If there's any other criminal
investigation that's yet to be
done and any kind of
ramifications from that
investigation that the fbi needs
the evidence, they will have to
preserve it.
|
| 00:15:46 | They will work closely with the
board on the investigation.
|
| 00:15:50 | >> Even if indications are this
was not an accident, they would
still play a role in the
investigation as we still learn
more?
|
| 00:15:57 | >> Absolutely.
|
| 00:15:58 | The investigation -- typically
the board will do the
investigation.
|
| 00:16:01 | It was an intentional act.
|
| 00:16:04 | There have been times where the
board over the
investigative process to the
fbi.
|
| 00:16:08 | Usually that's with a commercial
airliner.
|
| 00:16:11 | In this case they are going to
work hand in hand.
|
| 00:16:13 | Several years ago we had a
situation with a 15-year-old boy
who stole an airplane and flew
it into the side of a building
in tampa.
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| 00:16:19 | >> I remember that.
|
| 00:16:22 | >> It was one of those things
they have to work together to
preserve that evidence if
there's any kind of criminal
charges that will come out of
this investigation.
|
| 00:16:30 | >> You know, again, looking at
this building, you've been with
us and watching this coverage
00 local
00 eastern time, the
damage is incredible, greg, when
you think about it, we talked to
the hospital there.
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| 00:16:44 | Two people were treated.
|
| 00:16:46 | One could be leaving the
hospital here in an hour with no
jures.
|
| 00:16:52 | Another person burned and not
life threatening.
|
| 00:16:55 | >> That's very fortunate for
those people.
|
| 00:16:57 | This is a small airplane weighs
about 2,000 pounds, carries
about 40 gallons of gas, if the
tanks were full.
|
| 00:17:05 | If the pilot flew into the side
of the buildicoming out of a
dive.
|
| 00:17:14 | The structure will take the
brunt of that.
|
| 00:17:17 | The atomization, the fuel will
cover a larger area.
|
| 00:17:22 | Even though the fire may not be
intense, any materials in the
building will catch fire and
support combustion and spread
the fire.
|
| 00:17:30 | The big key here is we do not
know in addition to the fuel on
the airplane, what this pilot
may have done to carry an
additional kind of explosive
and/or additional fuel.
|
| 00:17:41 | He apparently burned down his
own house setting a fire that
was a pretty large sized
explosion.
|
| 00:17:48 | He may have done something with
the airplane to contribute to
the enormity of the fire damage.
|
| 00:17:54 | We just don't know at this
point.
|
| 00:17:55 | >> Thank you very much.
|
| 00:17:57 | Former ntsb investigator.
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| 00:17:59 | Let me send it to contessa.
|
| 00:18:02 | >> There's an office worker
unaccounted for, supposed to be
at work.
|
| 00:18:06 | So far they have not been able
to account for that person.
|
| 00:18:09 | We're waiting for word about the
condition and whereabouts of the
person.
|
| 00:18:13 | When we do we'll get it.
|
| 00:18:15 | In the meantime, to mike
viqueira.
|
| 00:18:18 | What's been the white house
reaction to what we're seeing
unfold in austin, texas?
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| 00:18:22 | >> The president had a slate of
activities at the white house
this morning.
|
| 00:18:26 | He did take a motorcade from the
white house out to andrews air
force base.
|
| 00:18:32 | Overnight out west denver swing,
denver, colorado, out west in
henderson, nevada, where he's
got political events as well as
town hall events.
|
| 00:18:39 | What we learned sometime during
that motorcade, perhaps when
theta to andrews, press
secretary robert gibbs did
inform the press pool the
president himself was briefed at
35 washington time this
afternoon by his homeland
security adviser who told the
president -- gibbs told us, this
does not appear to be an act of
terrorism.
|
| 00:19:04 | That's all we know at this
point.
|
| 00:19:06 | It's possible or likely he'll be
provided more information aboard
air force one.
|
| 00:19:12 | We won't have a read on that
until wheels are down in a few
hours.
|
| 00:19:17 | >> Thank you very much.
|
| 00:19:18 | Mike viqueira reporting from the
white house.
|
| 00:19:20 | Again, the scene in austin,
texas, the site of a plane crash
of a man who was apparently fur
reduce with the irs and decided
to take it out crashing his
plane into a building in austin,
texas.
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| 00:22:42 | >>> Welcome back.
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| 00:22:43 | I'm contessa brewer.
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| 00:22:44 | We're following breaking news
out of austin, texas, where a
man has crashed his plane into a
building that housed the irs.
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| 00:22:52 | Apparently this is a guy who was
furious at the irs, has been for
years and left a detailed note
detailing his gripes against the
irs.
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| 00:23:00 | Let me bring in tom costello.
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| 00:23:04 | What are you learning about
joseph stack in terms of being
the primary suspect, a pilot and
crashing his plane.
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| 00:23:11 | >> Let's look at the flight
path.
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| 00:23:13 | This is very telling.
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| 00:23:14 | We should have it coming up
here.
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| 00:23:16 | This shows he left the
georgetown municipal airport.
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| 00:23:19 | Look at that.
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| 00:23:20 | It is a direct, straight line
hugging the highway right into
the echelon building.
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| 00:23:27 | No deviation or attempt to avoid
the building, circle around.
|
| 00:23:32 | Clearly the ntsb and fbi will be
looking at this flight path and
whether it gives us some
indication this was a deliberate
attempt to flew right into the
irs offices at the building what
we can also tell you as we've
been reporting throughout the
day, joseph stack does, indeed,
own a piper cherokee, a fixed
single engine plane.
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| 00:23:57 | It matches the address for his
software business in california.
|
| 00:24:00 | Therefore, you can deduce this
is a man who was experienced in
at least flying piper cherokee
planes.
|
| 00:24:07 | As we've also been reporting
throughout the day is a widely
flown plane.
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| 00:24:13 | It isn't a terribly difficult
plane to fly.
|
| 00:24:16 | Seen at virtually every airport
in the country.
|
| 00:24:19 | Former ntsb investigator pointed
out it carries about 40 gallons
of fuel.
|
| 00:24:25 | Clearly, the many questions they
will be asking as they sift
through this debris, as they do
their tests, metallurgy tests,
was there an additional
accelerant on board.
|
| 00:24:36 | We have no answer for that the
time line, we are aware the
first call to the fire
department on the house fire
18 and the first
call for a plane down came in at
9:55.
|
| 00:24:47 | We're talking about, what, a 20,
30-minute gap there.
|
| 00:24:51 | Clearly you can see the flight
path appears to be a very
deliberate path as well.
|
| 00:24:58 | >> For viewers joining in the
house fire, it began as a
domestic disturbance.
|
| 00:25:03 | Local police went there.
|
| 00:25:05 | Joseph stack fled to the
georgetown airport, picked up
his plane and investigators are
telling us took that small piper
cherokee right into austin,
texas, where it crashed into the
echelon building resumably
intentionally because joseph
stack left behind a suicide note
detailing all his concerns about
the irs and the irs does have
offices in that building.
|
| 00:25:25 | One person unaccounted for, an
office worker who was supposed
to be at work.
|
| 00:25:30 | We're waiting for word on that
person.
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| 00:25:32 | Tom costello, thank you.
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| 00:25:33 | We're going to take a break.
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| 00:28:57 | williams.
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| 00:28:58 | I understand you have more
information.
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| 00:28:59 | >> Reporter: More on this
diatribe on the website he had.
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| 00:29:01 | If you go to the website, all
that's on the website now.
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| 00:29:04 | This is company website is the
actual diatribe.
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| 00:29:07 | If you look right up here at the
top, you'll see what he titled
it.
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| 00:29:11 | irs man,
take my pound of flesh.
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| 00:29:18 | big brother irs man,
take my pound of flesh.
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| 00:29:21 | Then you go on and read the
whole thing.
|
| 00:29:24 | A couple of other notes about
people
have used their skills to peek
behind the curtain here and see
when this specific revision was
made.
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| 00:29:39 | In other words, if you would
have gone to his website a while
back, you would have seen a
conventional website instead of
this thing popping up.
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| 00:29:46 | They say based on their analysis
of the computer coding, it looks
like he made the last revision
to this website this morning,
sometime this morning, february
18th, MAYBE AT ABOUT 6:40 A.M.
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| 00:30:04 | This appears to be another piece
to the time line of his apparent
preparation, what law
enforcement believes, without
being able to prove at this
point, that he set this series
of events in motion this morning
with the intention of flying his
airplane into the commercial
building there ennear austin
that had the irs located in it.
|
| 00:30:24 | This is just another piece of
that has he was manipulating,
fiddling with, making the final
preparations to have this
message pop up on his website
just this morning.
|
| 00:30:35 | >> Sadly, this is not the first
time we've seen, pete, people go
online and write these
manifestos or have these writing
to make it clear to the rest of
us wondering why they want it to
be quite clear why they are
acting in this way and in this
case.
|
| 00:30:52 | I've got to ask you, we're
getting in e-mails from people
here.
|
| 00:30:57 | There's curiosity factor on many
levels here.
|
| 00:31:01 | You've got people who wonder why
this is considered a domestic
issue if this man, in fact,
targeted the irs.
|
| 00:31:09 | Why isn't this considered an act
of terrorism.
|
| 00:31:13 | That's a question that comes
into us so I'll ask you.
|
| 00:31:16 | >> Good question.
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| 00:31:18 | I guess you could say in one
sense it's a good question, you
think about bare bones, what
appears to happen here is
someone attacking a building
that contains the federal
government, that's precisely
WHAT timothy McVeigh did in
oklahoma city.
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| 00:31:32 | The reason is since 9/11, the
concept of terrorism has changed
some to think that it has less
of a kind of one person going in
and shooting up the post office
kind of thing and more of an al
qaeda, government-driven, idea
logically-driven thing.
|
| 00:31:53 | There doesn't appear to be that.
|
| 00:31:54 | There's no element here of an
act to try to get the government
to do something or express an
ideological point of view.
|
| 00:32:04 | I guess their initial sense is
this is somebody who had a beef
with a government agency and
wanted to take it out on them as
OPPOSED to McVeigh who really
had no objection himself to the
atf or fbi or any other agencies
located in the murrah building
in oklahoma city.
|
| 00:32:24 | Granted, it's a somewhat fine
distinction.
|
| 00:32:27 | I think part of what's going on
here with the federal government
is to say, look, this isn't
christmas day all over again.
|
| 00:32:34 | This isn't al qaeda -- the
terrorists as we've come to
think of it.
|
| 00:32:37 | This is completely distinct from
that.
|
| 00:32:39 | This really is a crime.
|
| 00:32:40 | >> Pete, you know, we've talked
a lot lately about this anger we
see directed at the government.
|
| 00:32:47 | It's always obviously been a
part of our right to protest and
get angry about things.
|
| 00:32:53 | Do they monitor, the federal
investigators, are they
monitoring this kind of anger
more as we see sparks of it
around the country?
|
| 00:33:01 | I'm being careful to phrase
this.
|
| 00:33:03 | I don't want to direct it at one
group, one party or anything
like that.
|
| 00:33:07 | We know and you know there's
been a lot of talk lately
especially after the government
bailout of some of those
companies.
|
| 00:33:14 | There's a frustration.
|
| 00:33:15 | Do they monitor angry letters or
outcries more now?
|
| 00:33:19 | >> You know, I think the answer
is probably no.
|
| 00:33:22 | I think the fair way to put
this, tamron, is there are known
groups that are monitored.
|
| 00:33:30 | There are people who have
criminal pasts who are
monitored.
|
| 00:33:34 | But the federal government
simply, even if it wanted to,
doesn't have the manpower,
resources to monitor everybody
who is upset at the federal
government.
|
| 00:33:44 | So the answer probably in this
case is no.
|
| 00:33:46 | >> I figured that to be the
answer.
|
| 00:33:48 | Have you people asking all kinds
of questions.
|
| 00:33:51 | We see this, especially with
this online rant.
|
| 00:33:54 | It's out there.
|
| 00:33:56 | This joseph stack saying that he
had reached out and been
complaining for sometime.
|
| 00:34:04 | Pete, thank you very much for
answering those questions.
|
| 00:34:06 | Your incredible insight is
always appreciated around here.
|
| 00:34:09 | Thank you.
|
| 00:34:10 | Contessa, authorities are still
going through that building.
|
| 00:34:12 | As you pointed out, still one
person unaccounted for, a worker
getting an update there.
|
| 00:34:19 | We spoke with the emergency
director at the local hospital
near there.
|
| 00:34:22 | One individual was treated for
smom inhalation.
|
| 00:34:26 | He should be treated shortly.
|
| 00:34:29 | One with a burn to 25% of his
body.
|
| 00:34:31 | His back was to the window when
the small plane crashed through
there.
|
| 00:34:36 | Perhaps in the coming hours we
might hear more from joe stack's
wife cheryl.
|
| 00:34:40 | She survived that house fire
authorities say he deliberately
set with her and their child
inside.
|
| 00:34:47 | >> Reporter: Maybe we should go
back through that time line and
talk about how it went down this
morning in the 9:00 a.m. hour.
|
| 00:34:53 | 18 there came in a call of
a house fire.
|
| 00:34:56 | We know local police were called
to this house you see burning
right now.
|
| 00:35:01 | This was joseph stack's house.
|
| 00:35:04 | Apparently a domestic
disturbance.
|
| 00:35:07 | Joseph stack fled to the
municipal air force, about 20
minutes from his house, got into
his piper cherokee and flew it
basically straight toward this
building, this office building
in austin, texas, a seven-story
building where the workday was
under way.
|
| 00:35:23 | It's rather amazing so far you
have one person unaccounted for
and two injuries considering
there were people in the
building, it was an impact on
the building near a busy highway
in austin, texas.
|
| 00:35:42 | Gret feith joins me.
|
| 00:35:46 | An faa spokesman said there was
so much damage to the wreckage
of the plane, it was hard to
identify.
|
| 00:35:52 | How do ntsb investigators go in
and attribute to this
investigation of how this crash
went down.
|
| 00:36:02 | >> One of the first things they
will do is examine the accident
site itself, look at the
wreckage.
|
| 00:36:10 | There are some signs on the
airplane, a data plate.
|
| 00:36:13 | They can confirm the aircraft
serial number, run it against
records.
|
| 00:36:17 | They will look at the airplane
to see how it impacted.
|
| 00:36:20 | It's very obvious it hit this
building at a very high rate of
speed.
|
| 00:36:25 | At least that's what it appears
to be.
|
| 00:36:26 | They will pull the wreckage out.
|
| 00:36:28 | There's not a lot of
reconstruction to the aircraft
that's necessary.
|
| 00:36:32 | It's he evident that this was an
intentional act.
|
| 00:36:34 | So unlike an accident where
you're trying to determine if
there's a mechanical malfunction
or failure of the airplane,
while the ntsb investigators
will look for those kinds of
signs, it's evident from all of
the other evidence coming in or
at least coming in, it's
probably an intentional act, not
a mechanical accident, in fact
driven by the pilot itself
flying that into the side of the
building.
|
| 00:37:04 | >> If investigators categorize
this as they will do, the ntsb
will be contributing but not the
lead agency here.
|
| 00:37:16 | >> Typically in the criminal
event the board takes a back
seat.
|
| 00:37:19 | They will help the fbi and
support.
|
| 00:37:22 | They will do all the
reconstruction necessary.
|
| 00:37:23 | They will gather that type of
evidence attributed to the
aircraft, because the fbi, while
they may have some level of
knowledge about aviation, that's
one of the board's expertise.
|
| 00:37:35 | They will use that information,
assist the fbi in collecting
that evidence, preserving that
evidence, if there are to be
other kinds of criminal
investigations that are born out
of this particular
investigation.
|
| 00:37:47 | >> Greg, I know there's still
some question about whether
joseph stack may have loaded
additional fuel on board his
plane or an incendiary device.
|
| 00:37:56 | Will the ntsb be pivotal in
determining that?
|
| 00:38:01 | >> I think the ntsb will be
contributory.
|
| 00:38:05 | The fbi may have bomb experts
that come in.
|
| 00:38:08 | They will be looking for things
they can attribute to additional
incendiary devices.
|
| 00:38:15 | There are additional fuel tanks
you can install in airplanes
that provide under normal
conditions the ability to fly
longer distances.
|
| 00:38:23 | We don't know how this airplane
was equipped.
|
| 00:38:26 | They will be looking for that
type of evidence.
|
| 00:38:28 | Given the fact, the nature of
this fire, how big it was,
especially in an office building
like this, if the airplane had
only 40 plus gallons of fuel,
which an airplane of this size
typically would have, that's a
pretty large fire.
|
| 00:38:40 | So they are going to be looking
for evidence of additional
incendiary or explosive-type
devices that may have
contributed to the enormity of
this fire.
|
| 00:38:49 | >> All right, greg feith, thank
you very much.
|
| 00:38:54 | As you can see from the wreckage
from these aerial views, this is
a crash that did a lot of
damage.
|
| 00:38:59 | The pilot is presumed dead and
one office worker unaccounted
for.
|
| 00:39:02 | On the whole you have a whole
lot of people in austin, texas,
today breathing a sigh of relief
to have escaped this office
building unscathed.
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| 00:42:20 | >>> Welcome back.
|
| 00:42:20 | We're getting more information
on the breaking news story we've
been following.
|
| 00:42:24 | A small plane crash in a
building in austin.
|
| 00:42:27 | It's becoming clear, what we're
receiving from federal
investigators this was
deliberate.
|
| 00:42:32 | Let's bring in jim tillman,
aviation expert.
|
| 00:42:34 | Jim, we've gotten a lot of
information obviously now about
this pilot.
|
| 00:42:41 | What do you believe should
happen now or will happen now in
this investigation?
|
| 00:42:45 | >> Well, the investigation is
going to be pretty intense at
this point.
|
| 00:42:50 | They are nailing down some facts
that will give them strong leads
about what may have been motive,
if you can call it that, for
what happened.
|
| 00:42:59 | I think that it's nice and
comforting to know we don't have
to without about this being a
terrorist act.
|
| 00:43:05 | It was, in fact, a crime if you
ask me and something followed by
the fbi.
|
| 00:43:18 | >> Again, since this plane
belonged to individual,
authorities are looking at joe
stack, there's not anything to
investigate at the airport where
he started his flight, george
town airport, other than finding
out his state of mind at the
time with someone there.
|
| 00:43:37 | >> That's one of the points i
want to each size.
|
| 00:43:41 | Aviation is not the bad guy this
is not the time to determine we
should restrict this or that on
aviation.
|
| 00:43:52 | This is an individual that did
on his own what he did.
|
| 00:43:56 | It would have been more
disastrous if he had driven a
tanker truck into the building.
|
| 00:44:02 | He happened to use an airplane
because that's what he knew how
to use.
|
| 00:44:08 | It's important to realize
general aviation is not the bad
guy.
|
| 00:44:11 | >> You make that appoint.
|
| 00:44:13 | We had another aviation expert
on as well wanting to emphasize
that you can't just lock down
the airports there and not allow
people to have access.
|
| 00:44:20 | A deadly weapon can be anything,
including an aircraft as we have
here.
|
| 00:44:26 | This not being a deadly weapon
here but referring to 9/11.
|
| 00:44:35 | Contessa, we're getting in more
accounts from witnesses.
|
| 00:44:38 | At this point we have no word on
what ntsb is seeing on the
ground but we do know what
people saw in austin.
|
| 00:44:49 | >> Reporter: Talking to
eyewitnesses who saw the crash
unfold, one of them is an
experienced pilot.
|
| 00:45:04 | >> I heard a light plane.
|
| 00:45:05 | I know the sound well.
|
| 00:45:07 | I've been flying little planes
since high school.
|
| 00:45:10 | It was really low.
|
| 00:45:11 | He brushed across parking
lot lights, those big 30 foot
lights, shot right across that.
|
| 00:45:16 | It was a blue and white fixed
gear single engine cherokee 140,
one of the safest planes around.
|
| 00:45:25 | Shot right across the road, was
going really fast.
|
| 00:45:29 | Those aren't fast airplanes.
|
| 00:45:31 | They cruise about 115.
|
| 00:45:34 | The engine was on full blast.
|
| 00:45:36 | Of course I can't testify to
that, but it sure was hauling.
|
| 00:45:39 | >> Oh, man.
|
| 00:45:40 | >> It was a really speedy dive.
|
| 00:45:43 | It what happened right in
between the first and second
floor of echelon three.
|
| 00:45:48 | >> Can you show our viewers
exactly where you believe the
plane hit?
|
| 00:45:53 | >> See the white smoke?
|
| 00:45:54 | >> Yeah.
|
| 00:45:55 | >> It's that hole ride dead
center of the building.
|
| 00:45:58 | See that stone wall, the retain
wall?
|
| 00:46:01 | >> Yes.
|
| 00:46:01 | >> It hit above the retaining
wall and shot in the building.
|
| 00:46:05 | A gigantic fireball came out
about 50 feet wide, then windows
flew out and inulation flew out.
|
| 00:46:11 | >> Just one of the eyewitnesses
who described what he saw when
that plane crashed into this
building again.
|
| 00:46:19 | One office worker unaccounted
for.
|
| 00:46:21 | We're waiting for word when that
happens.
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| 00:49:34 | >>> Welcome back.
|
| 00:49:35 | We continue to following
breaking news out of austin,
texas.
|
| 00:49:39 | Let's listen to kxan, local
reporter on the scene of this
plane crash.
|
| 00:49:43 | >> Reporter: People really need
to avoid this area, figure out
some other way to go.
|
| 00:49:47 | Just take some extra, extra time
this afternoon as you are trying
to get home from work today.
|
| 00:49:53 | And that's the latest from here
in northwest austin.
|
| 00:49:59 | >> All right.
|
| 00:49:59 | You're right, matt, it is just
hard to watch, to have seen for
the last few hours watching this
whole thing unfold.
|
| 00:50:07 | >> We just received word the fbi
is going to be pulling the
manifesto off the website, so
the link we've been telling you
about you can read will be gone
in the next few moments.
|
| 00:50:22 | >> The subsequent link we set
up, it is a registered website
mr. stack had ownership of.
|
| 00:50:27 | We confirmed that earlier.
|
| 00:50:28 | The fbi is requesting we take
that down or that everybody take
that down.
|
| 00:50:33 | It is a rambling --
>> it's gone now.
|
| 00:50:35 | >> It's gone.
|
| 00:50:36 | >> We want to give awe quick
programming note.
|
| 00:50:42 | We're watching local affiliate,
talking about the manifesto
registered online to a website
registered to him right before
the plane crash.
|
| 00:50:54 | I've been hearing from some of
our viewers that you can no
longer see this manifesto
online.
|
| 00:50:59 | Basically it starts out, if you
are reading this, you're no
doubt asking yourself why did
this have to happen.
|
| 00:51:06 | Then joseph stack goes on to
outline his problems with the
government, with the irs, with
the bailout, for example of
that's one of the things he
lists here.
|
| 00:51:18 | Just a smidgeon of it,
patriotism cost me $40,000, 10
years of my life and set back my
retirement plans to zero.
|
| 00:51:27 | He talks about unreported income
his wife made and just a list of
other problems or beefs, as pete
williams worded it with the
government.
|
| 00:51:38 | He signs it joe stack, 1956,
2010.
|
| 00:51:43 | HE DATES IT FEBRUARY 18th, 2010
And refers to the government
taking a pound of his flesh.
|
| 00:51:51 | This is the manifesto.
|
| 00:51:54 | Answers, what I believe joe
stack wanted, it answers the
questions many of us have now
and had when we learned this and
to be a deliberate and
intentional plane crash.
|
| 00:52:06 | Contessa.
|
| 00:52:06 | >> What's so sad about that
manifesto, it serves as a
suicide note.
|
| 00:52:10 | Here is a guy who has a wife and
a daughter.
|
| 00:52:13 | They were apparently in the home
earlier today.
|
| 00:52:16 | Police were called for a
domestic disturbance when joseph
stack recordedly set his house
on fire.
|
| 00:52:22 | The wife and the daughter are
safe.
|
| 00:52:24 | Apparently they went to a
neighbor's house and they are
safe.
|
| 00:52:27 | Again, they have lost a loved
one.
|
| 00:52:29 | Let me bring in aviation
attorney mary sciavo.
|
| 00:52:38 | We were talking about this and
looking for details, appears
they are investigating this as a
crime, a person disgruntled with
the irs and took specific steps
to show how frustrated he really
was.
|
| 00:52:51 | What's your reaction?
|
| 00:52:55 | >> One thing our investigating
the crime, obviously the
investigation shifts away, they
will check to be sure, shifts
away from the classic aviation
investigations.
|
| 00:53:07 | They won't be looking for a
problem with the plane or in the
maintenance or anything of that
sort.
|
| 00:53:13 | Instead this will be a weapon --
the plane will be a weapon he
used to carry out a suicide
vendetta against the airplane.
|
| 00:53:21 | So the ntsb will have little to
do -- they won't be looking for
clues as to why the plane
crashed.
|
| 00:53:28 | Instead, it will be an fbi-led
investigation.
|
| 00:53:35 | >> Mary schiavo purchase just
aerial sz alone are stunning,
when you see how much damage the
piper cherokee, small aircraft
wasable to do to the office
building.
|
| 00:53:48 | >> It's still considered a safe
aircraft.
|
| 00:53:51 | We now know this was a
deliberate crash by the pilot
joe stack.
|
| 00:53:54 | We'll continue to follow this.
|
| 00:53:55 | Thank you for joining myself and
contessa.
|
| 00:53:57 | I'll see you back here tomorrow
during this slot.
|
| 00:53:59 | In the meantime, david shuster
picks up our coverage.
|
| 00:54:02 | I'm going to join david as we
get more information on this
manifesto from joe stack, the
investigation into this crash.
|
| 00:54:10 | Of course more on his issue,
apparently, with the government
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| 00:57:22 | >>> Breaking news we're
following at the top of the
hour.
|
| 00:57:24 | A plane flies into an office
building in austin, texas.
|
| 00:57:27 | >> Right above the retaining
wall and shot in that building.
|
| 00:57:31 | A gigantic fireball came out,
probably 50 feet wide, then the
windows blew out, then
insulation flew out.
|
| 00:57:39 | >> And this was no accident.
|
| 00:57:44 | We're learning more by the
minute about the man joseph
stack who flew into the building
after he allegedly set his home
on fire.
|
| 00:57:51 | Authorities are trying to figure
out just what made him do it
all.
|
| 00:57:55 | Hello, everybody.
|
| 00:57:56 | I'm david shuster live in
washington.
|
| 00:57:57 | We continue to follow what has
been a very memorable day for a
lot of people in austin, texas.
|
| 00:58:03 | Just over four hours ago
witnesses saw a small aircraft
flying fast and low over the
highway pt the plane then
crashed into an office building
containing several offices
including a regional branch of
the internal revenue service.
|
| 00:58:17 | Police believe the pilot was
joseph stack, a software
engineer with an alleged history
of audits, penalties paid to the
irs and a simmering rage over
experiences with the tax system
in general.
|
| 00:00:00 | Off.
|
| 00:00:00 | They would essentially funnel
that information to the fbi so
they could make a determination,
yes, this guy was acting alone,
he didn't get help, that sort of
thing.
|
| 00:00:08 | >> Also if that was asked for,
to find out if the engine was
operating, if all the parts were
there, that sort of thing.
|
| 00:00:19 | >> We've seen the picture of
this crash.
|
| 00:00:23 | How much fuel can they carry and
>> depending on the model 40 to
50 gallons, anywhere from 115 to
120 miles an hour.
|
| 00:00:32 | >> The equivalent as if somebody
were driving an suv over 100
miles an hour with a full tank
of gas and slammed into a
building that way?
|
| 00:00:41 | >> Exactly.
|
| 00:00:42 | Only at this point it's going
into the side of the building at
a higher story level than where
a car might go in at the street
level or garage level.
|
| 00:00:50 | >> And as far as the fuel,
obviously that would be the
accelerant.
|
| 00:01:01 | How much more combustible is jet
fuel.
|
| 00:01:05 | >> This isn't jet fuel, this is
more like gasoline.
|
| 00:01:09 | >> Still highly com bus i
believe.
|
| 00:01:11 | >> About the combustibility of
automobile fuel.
|
| 00:01:15 | >> Interesting.
|
| 00:01:15 | Mark, thanks for joining us and
helping us get started on that
appreciate it.
|
| 00:01:20 | Recap, police are piecing
together the time line that led
up to the crash.
|
| 00:01:25 | Investigators have three sites
to investigate.
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| 00:01:28 | First, where the plane crashed.
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| 00:01:30 | Second georgetown municipal
airport where it took off from
and third, his home.
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| 00:01:36 | Police believe joseph stack set
hit home on fire.
|
| 00:01:38 | His wife and daughter were able
to get away safely from the
burning house.
|
| 00:01:45 | Authorities confirmed an angry
manifesto from a website was
written by stack.
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| 00:01:51 | Here are two quotes.
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| 00:01:52 | There are two interpretations
for every law, one for the very
much and one for the rest of us.
|
| 00:01:57 | O, and the monsters are the ones
making and enforcing the laws.
|
| 00:02:02 | Another quote, I saw it written
once that the definition of
insanity is repeating the same
process over and over and
expecting the outcome to
insanity.
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| 00:02:16 | big brother irs man,
let's try something different.
|
| 00:02:19 | Take my pound of flesh and sleep
well.
|
| 00:02:22 | Tamron hall has been covering
this this afternoon.
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| 00:02:26 | What have you got?
|
| 00:02:26 | >> As stunning as this manifesto
is, it's been stunning to hear
what witnesses saw.
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| 00:02:35 | Joining us tucker, an eyewitness
to the crash.
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| 00:02:37 | Thank you for joining us.
|
| 00:02:39 | What did you see?
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| 00:02:40 | >> I was driving down the
expressway and merging on a
flyover from one expressway to
another.
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| 00:02:46 | As I was trying to merge to the
right I looked up and saw a
plane flying extremely low.
|
| 00:02:52 | I remember thinking, wow, that's
low.
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| 00:02:55 | Must be a new plane.
|
| 00:02:57 | I merged onto the ramp and saw
it plow into the first floor of
the building.
|
| 00:03:06 | >> Did you see the explosion?
|
| 00:03:07 | I imagine you can't believe your
eyes?
|
| 00:03:09 | >> I was drinking coffee on the
way to work, it was completely
unexpected.
|
| 00:03:15 | You're like, wow, did that just
happen?
|
| 00:03:18 | >> Did you see the fireball?
|
| 00:03:21 | >> Huge fireball, whole front of
the building, glass exploded and
huge plume of black smoke.
|
| 00:03:26 | >> Did you pull over, tucker?
|
| 00:03:28 | >> I did.
|
| 00:03:29 | I pulled over.
|
| 00:03:30 | I was on a flyover, which
doesn't have a shoulder.
|
| 00:03:32 | I pulled over when I got to the
bottom.
|
| 00:03:35 | There were 50 or 60 cars around
with the different ways of the
expressway and access road.
|
| 00:03:41 | >> Give me an idea when you say
the plane was flying really low.
|
| 00:03:45 | We see the point of impact
almost at the bottom of the
building.
|
| 00:03:49 | >> This intersection I was going
on was a high multi-level
flyover.
|
| 00:03:53 | They have these tall light poles
that have rings of light that
light up the intersection at
night.
|
| 00:03:58 | The reason I thought it was low,
when I looked up, it was well
below the lights that shine on
the street.
|
| 00:04:04 | I'm like, wow, that's really
low.
|
| 00:04:07 | When he banged, it was almost
instantaneous it flew into the
building.
|
| 00:04:12 | >> So far we've had no
confirmation of anyone in that
building being killed by this
crash.
|
| 00:04:18 | Two people reited at the
hospital.
|
| 00:04:19 | One perhaps on his way home
treated for ske inhalation.
|
| 00:04:25 | When you look back to what you
saw and the video now, is it
stunning people walked out of
that.
|
| 00:04:31 | >> Pretty amazing.
|
| 00:04:33 | When everyone topped poem were
crying in their cars.
|
| 00:04:35 | Everyone was picking up their
phones in shock.
|
| 00:04:38 | You could see after a few
minutes, there was an access
road at the side of the
building, the frontage road.
|
| 00:04:43 | You could see people running and
picking up debris off the road
there.
|
| 00:04:47 | So I mean, it wasn't a small
explosion, 50 gallons of fuel,
it was a big fireball.
|
| 00:04:53 | >> You're right about that
tucker, thank you for joining us
and telling what you saw.
|
| 00:04:59 | Tucker is not alone.
|
| 00:05:00 | We're hearing from so many
people.
|
| 00:05:04 | It was 10:00.
|
| 00:05:05 | That building houses so many
offices.
|
| 00:05:07 | A lot of people were at work or
driving on the highway next to
the building.
|
| 00:05:10 | >> Tamron, I know you're
familiar with texas, for a lot
of us who haven't spent a lot of
time in austin, this particular
part of austin -- we associate
austin with being the capital,
the university of texas.
|
| 00:05:21 | How far away is it from that?
|
| 00:05:23 | >> I can't tell you how far from
the capital.
|
| 00:05:25 | My uncle and aunt live five or
six miles from here.
|
| 00:05:30 | I would guess maybe 20 minutes.
|
| 00:05:32 | Texas traffic probably an hour.
|
| 00:05:34 | To be honest, 183 there is
always very busy.
|
| 00:05:38 | Early on when it was speculated
this pilot might have been
trying to make a landing, it
didn't sound logical to me
knowing at any given time that
freeway, that highway is busy.
|
| 00:05:49 | So you're thinking to yourself,
00
in the morning would have been
there for this pilot to make a
safe landing, even if it were
someone in an emergency
situation.
|
| 00:06:01 | It would have been a bad
incident to try to see a plane
land on 183 the morning.
|
| 00:06:07 | That didn't jibe so well and the
more details we learned there.
|
| 00:06:10 | You see, and I'll give you
another idea, david are you see
they never closed off 183
because of so many people using
it.
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| 00:06:17 | If they had closed off 183, even
with black smoke going it would
have been a nightmare as we
speak now.
|
| 00:06:23 | That's an indication of houch
how many people probably
witnessed this.
|
| 00:06:26 | It stunning.
|
| 00:06:27 | That's why we're able to get so
many witnesses like tucker, who
we spoke with, who were probably
there when he went down.
|
| 00:06:36 | >> Such a great point.
|
| 00:06:39 | We would expect, tamron, people
throughout the day to provide
accounts and photos they may
have taken on their cell phones.
|
| 00:06:48 | At tamron noted kxan is
providing coverage for us.
|
| 00:06:51 | Here is how one witness in the
parking lot across the street
from the crash described the
moment of impact.
|
| 00:06:59 | >> The plane came flying over
straight from the east.
|
| 00:07:01 | It curved in a little bit.
|
| 00:07:03 | It looked like there wasn't
anything wrong wit.
|
| 00:07:06 | It sounded like it was running
fine.
|
| 00:07:10 | The engines weren't smoking or
anything.
|
| 00:07:12 | It was really low, almost to the
power lines.
|
| 00:07:16 | It was clipping really sharply
to the left.
|
| 00:07:20 | Honestly, we kind of thought it
was somebody messing around,
flying too low, trying to scare
their copilot or whatnot.
|
| 00:07:28 | So we heard the explosion, and
we looked over and saw the side
of this building had fallen
down.
|
| 00:07:34 | So yeah --
>> describe for me what that --
it had to be surreal.
|
| 00:07:40 | >> It definitely was because,
like I said, we thought it was
somebody joking around.
|
| 00:07:44 | We didn't think the plane was
crashing when we saw it.
|
| 00:07:46 | It was so low, it was kind of
one of those things I didn't see
the person.
|
| 00:07:50 | It was close enough you could
have seen the guy in it.
|
| 00:07:55 | >> Describe for me what you're
feeling now as you see this.
|
| 00:08:00 | >> It's very surreal.
|
| 00:08:03 | It seems like one of those
things you see on tv not
something you actually see.
|
| 00:08:09 | >> What are you thinking about
for the people inside that
building right now?
|
| 00:08:13 | >> I've heard most of them are
okay.
|
| 00:08:16 | A plane just hit their building.
|
| 00:08:18 | That's ridiculous.
|
| 00:08:19 | 00 in the morning on a
weekday.
|
| 00:08:22 | There must have been tons of
people in there.
|
| 00:08:24 | >> Did you actually see the
plane flying across 183?
|
| 00:08:29 | How low would you estimate that
plane was?
|
| 00:08:31 | >> I don't know.
|
| 00:08:32 | Well, when it was back there,
which is, what, half a mile or
something, it was already -- we
were worried it was going to hit
it was
already coming in way too low.
|
| 00:08:43 | >> By the way, 190 people worked
in the irs in that building
there and the latest again is
that authorities believe two
people were injured, one person
with burns who had his back to a
window, 25% of his body burned.
|
| 00:08:58 | Another person taken to the
hospital with severe smoke
inhalation.
|
| 00:09:01 | Still a question about whether
there was a third person who was
supposed to be in that office
building not yet accounted for
and the death of the pilot
joseph stack.
|
| 00:09:09 | We'll have much more on this
breaking news involving joseph
stack and his government,
anti-government manifesto.
|
| 00:09:15 | Was that the reason that he did
this and what specifically might
have made him snap?
|
| 00:09:22 | We'll try to sort out some of
that ahead.
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| 00:12:44 | >>> And we continue to follow
the story in austin, texas,
joseph stack allegedly flew a
single engine plane into an
office building apparently
because of some beef he had with
the internet revenue service.
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| 00:12:56 | As you can probably appreciate
since 9/11 a lot of local
communities have been working
very hard to try to better
coordinate their response across
various government agencies and
first responders to try to sort
out situations like this.
|
| 00:13:07 | So, of course, the austin
department of the texas home
security agency was certainly
put to the test in terms of how
they responded this morning.
|
| 00:13:16 | Let's they can in with them.
|
| 00:13:19 | Candace wade with the public
information office with the
office of homeland security and
emergency management.
|
| 00:13:24 | Candace, first of all, how did
things ondo from your
perspective.
|
| 00:13:29 | >> Well, we were able to respond
fairly quickly to the incident.
|
| 00:13:33 | Here and the city of austin, we
are coordinating events.
|
| 00:13:38 | We have all the public safety
entities here.
|
| 00:13:42 | We are activating our emergency
operations center.
|
| 00:13:44 | >> What does that mean?
|
| 00:13:46 | When we look at an office
building on fire, is there a
specific person or group of
people responsible for
accounting for people that
should have been in that office
building?
|
| 00:13:57 | Another group responsible for
coordinating with the fbi in how
do you figure that stuff out.
|
| 00:14:04 | >> At this time we do not have
the information of leasing, who
was leasing out the building.
|
| 00:14:11 | What happens here locally as
soon as an event of this
magnitude occurs we come to the
emergency operations center
where we have fire, police as
well as office of homeland
security.
|
| 00:14:23 | We coordinate events.
|
| 00:14:26 | As the incident unfolds we
expand and get any information
out to the public, as well as to
the ground that's needed.
|
| 00:14:32 | >> Okay.
|
| 00:14:33 | As far as the situation
continues right now, I wonder if
you can clarify.
|
| 00:14:37 | First of all, is the building on
fire?
|
| 00:14:39 | >> No, the actual fire is under
control at this time.
|
| 00:14:42 | They are -- the fire department
is now draining down the
building, which means they are
running the water over the
building.
|
| 00:14:50 | It has been contained.
|
| 00:14:52 | We have the texas commission for
environmental quality as well as
city of protection department on
scene as well.
|
| 00:15:02 | >> Can you clarify that in terms
of the two people injured and
the one unaccounted for, has
that been sorted out.
|
| 00:15:12 | >> There are two victims we know
of that has been transported to
the hospital.
|
| 00:15:16 | The one unaccounted for, that
individual, we are still
certainlying for that person.
|
| 00:15:21 | >> Okay.
|
| 00:15:24 | Then as far as the building
itself, for the people in it, is
it a complete loss, everyone
that worked in the building,
they will have to find new
offices, a complete structural
problem?
|
| 00:15:36 | >> The evaluation of the scene
is continuing at this point.
|
| 00:15:40 | The construction stability is
actually fine at the building.
|
| 00:15:43 | >> Interesting.
|
| 00:15:46 | Candice wade homeland security
and management agency in austin.
|
| 00:15:49 | Candice, thank you for joining
us today.
|
| 00:15:51 | >> Okay.
|
| 00:15:51 | >> My colleague tamron hall is
continuing to collect
information.
|
| 00:15:56 | It's still amazing when you look
at this and see in addition to
the pilot killed maybe only two
other injured despite the raging
fire.
|
| 00:16:04 | Amazing.
|
| 00:16:05 | >> It is incredible.
|
| 00:16:06 | It started at the family's home,
a domestic dispute.
|
| 00:16:11 | If these accusations are true,
he set his own home on fire with
his wife and child in there.
|
| 00:16:16 | They were rescued by the
neighbors.
|
| 00:16:19 | More on the pilot who is
believed to have intentionally
felony the plane into the office
building.
|
| 00:16:26 | Joseph stack wrote an
anti-government manifesto
venting his anger over the irs.
|
| 00:16:31 | We have a few more postings from
that.
|
| 00:16:33 | Let me show you this one, why is
it a handful of thugs and
plunderers can commit awe
drafts --
here is another portion from
that.
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| 00:17:15 | We talked a lot about, this
david, this anger that people
have, some people have, and they
direct it at the government.
|
| 00:17:24 | In this case, this guy goes from
health care.
|
| 00:17:27 | He has the tax code he has an
issue with.
|
| 00:17:29 | All across the board, the
bailout itself.
|
| 00:17:34 | He wants the world, or whoever,
to know this why this happened
today.
|
| 00:17:39 | It's all very disturbing and
sad.
|
| 00:17:40 | This kind of anger that some
people support directed at the
government.
|
| 00:17:45 | I'm not saying certainly that's
the result of this.
|
| 00:17:46 | We hear a lot of this kind of
talk.
|
| 00:17:50 | It's in this manifesto.
|
| 00:17:52 | >> Tamron, so bizarre trying to
understand the manifesto who
knows if everything he alleges
is true.
|
| 00:18:01 | Several different types he was
audited and this to pay tens of
thousands to the government.
|
| 00:18:07 | Sounds like he was doing well.
|
| 00:18:09 | Makes reference to having a
piano, goes to an accountant to
get taxes done, there was income
they failed to report and owed
more.
|
| 00:18:21 | The accountant looking out more
for the government than them and
at some point he snapped.
|
| 00:18:25 | >> As you point out, we don't
know if any of these allegations
are true.
|
| 00:18:29 | He talks about going from
$40,000 a year, 10 years of his
life, now he has no retirement,
at zero.
|
| 00:18:39 | Unreported income of his wife.
|
| 00:18:41 | Spent $5,000 of my pocket change
and 1,000 hours of my time
writing, mailing, to any
governor, senator, slug that
might listen and none d whether
this was all in his head.
|
| 00:18:55 | Quite honestly some of this
writing sounds like he created
demons and may have wanted
revenge.
|
| 00:19:03 | >> Tamron, thanks for sticking
around and helping out this
hour.
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| 00:19:05 | I appreciate it.
|
| 00:19:06 | Great to work with you as
always.
|
| 00:19:08 | >>> Another story we are
following today, an airliner en
route to san francisco was
diverted after a bomb threat.
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| 00:19:18 | Apparently they found a
threatening note in the galley
of the plane.
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| 00:19:24 | All passengers were taken offer
for rescreening.
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| 00:19:28 | No bomb was found.
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| 00:19:29 | The flight was diverted as a
precaution.
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| 00:19:32 | We will continue to bring you
the latest developments on this
plane attack in austin tech
texas, throughout the hour.
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| 00:22:58 | >>> It's like it dropped down
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big or tall or taller than the
whole apartment complexity
receive within like a second.
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| 00:23:07 | >> Incredible scene in austin,
texas.
|
| 00:23:10 | Authorities say that a fire
there at an office building has
been contained.
|
| 00:23:14 | A man by the name of joseph
stack apparently angry at the
federal government and irs in
particular set his home on fire
this morning and then went to
the airport, got an aircraft he
tends to fly, a cessna, single
engine and crashed it into a
federal office building that
houses the irs, despite the fact
the building, several floors
were engulfed in flames,
authorities are saying only two
people were injured, one with
smoke inhalation and another
with burns as a result of being
near a window.
|
| 00:23:43 | There's another person that is
unaccounted for at this hour and
of course the pilot, joseph
stack, who was killed.
|
| 00:23:49 | When you think about the number
of people working in that office
building, 190 in the irs
building itself, irs office
itself, a minor miracle they are
saying in austin that more
people were not hurt or killed.
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| 00:24:00 | We will continue, of course, to
keep everybody posted on
developments.
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| 00:24:04 | Saving freedom, fighting obama
secrecy.
|
| 00:24:07 | These are the names of two of
the forums held today at the
annual conservative political
action conference right here in
washington.
|
| 00:24:15 | Former vice president dick
cheney among those leading the
rally, the cry for the right.
|
| 00:24:19 | He got a raucous applause when
he said president obama would be
a one-term president.
|
| 00:24:25 | Nbc deputy political director is
at the conference.
|
| 00:24:28 | When I listened earlier, i
heard, for example, a number of
claims from dick armey and all
the things that are wrong with
president obama personally.
|
| 00:24:37 | Is that the tone, the personal
issues or has most of it been
about policy?
|
| 00:24:42 | >> David, it has been a lot of
red meat in this conference.
|
| 00:24:45 | It happened today, will happen
friday and saturday over three
days as this conference takes
place in washington, d.c.
|
| 00:24:52 | A lot of red meat.
|
| 00:24:55 | Similar liberal events we have
and often see, similar really
tough words.
|
| 00:24:59 | It wasn't a big surprise.
|
| 00:25:00 | There was some talk of policy,
keeping tacks low, advocating
for free enterprise.
|
| 00:25:06 | Mostly today's activities was a
good way for republicans who now
feel very good about their
electoral chances in november to
whack the president.
|
| 00:25:15 | >> One of the seminars or
sessions they were having today
was how to safeguard the
freedoms of future generations.
|
| 00:25:23 | Mark, out of people that go to
these conferences, you hear
them, obama administration, want
to take away our personal
freedoms, what are they getting
at?
|
| 00:25:34 | What are the sorts of things
that get them riled up.
|
| 00:25:38 | >> David, what's going on when
you look at conferences,
breakout panels, it does seem
this conservative political
action conference is trying to
co-op the movement.
|
| 00:25:49 | The group that hosts it is the
american conservative union, one
of the more established
conservative groups in
washington.
|
| 00:25:56 | A lot of messages, the pam's
really harp to the tea party
movement, the declaration of
independence.
|
| 00:26:06 | Republicans are trying to tap
into the tea party vein, to
energize folks to do the best
they can in upcoming elections.
|
| 00:26:17 | >> Mark, thank you very much.
|
| 00:26:20 | As the conference goes into the
weekend on saturday, the keynote
speaker is glen beck.
|
| 00:26:25 | A conference people are paying
attention to.
|
| 00:26:29 | >>> Many details between
president obama's meeting with
dalai lama are kept under wraps.
|
| 00:26:33 | That's because china has
repeatedly threatened
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house.
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| 00:26:42 | The president did not meet with
dalai lama during his last u.s.
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| 00:26:46 | Trip in october.
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| 00:26:47 | >>> Earlier today, president
obama signed an executive order
pertained at protecting your
money.
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| 00:26:54 | National commission on fiscal
responsibility and reform of the
goal is to rein in the soaring
debt.
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| 00:27:01 | The senate killed a stronger
version earlier this month.
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| 00:27:04 | >>> We'll have more on the
breaking news out of texas.
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| 00:27:07 | We continue to try to piece
together what investigators are
piecing together about joseph
stack, the man infuriated at the
ir and apparently there's every
indication that he deliberately
loaded up his small plane with
fuel and flew it as fast as he
could into the side of that
building.
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| 00:30:38 | >>> It looked like there wasn't
anything wrong wit.
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| 00:30:40 | It was running fine.
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| 00:30:42 | The engines weren't smoking.
|
| 00:30:45 | We thought it was somebody
messing around, trying to scare
the copilot or whatnot.
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| 00:30:52 | Until we heard the explosion and
we looked over here and the side
of the building was down.
|
| 00:30:58 | >> The fire was exceptionally
large for the people when they
consider the size of this
aircraft the cessna single
engine with 40 or 50 gallons of
fuel.
|
| 00:31:07 | In any case, can you imagine
when this first happened about
five hours ago, a lot of news
organizations were scrambling to
figure out was this intentional,
was it not, who was the pilot.
|
| 00:31:19 | The reuters news agency based in
houston has been all over this
story trying to piece together
what we know about joseph stack,
the alleged pilot who apparently
set his home on fire.
|
| 00:31:37 | Chris from reuters, what have
you learned about joe stack?
|
| 00:31:42 | >> Yes, thank you, david.
|
| 00:31:44 | Joe stack, apparently a software
engineer.
|
| 00:31:49 | Long time worked in the southern
california area before moving
recently to austin, texas, to
continue his work as a software
consultant.
|
| 00:32:01 | Apparently according to the note
that is linked with him, ran
afoul of tax agency, the irs,
apparently has, according to two
federal officials we spoke with,
deliberately possibly flown his
plane into a building in austin.
|
| 00:32:26 | >> Looking at the manifesto, so
interesting, yes, he had to pay
tens of thousands of dollars
over the years because of
penalties and audits but sounded
like he was making a lot of
money recently.
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| 00:32:36 | And that in the course of having
his taxes done by an accountant
yet again, at a time when he was
doing well, hoping to save again
for retirement, he's told, no,
you have penalties you have to
pay.
|
| 00:32:48 | It's as this that sent him over
the edge.
|
| 00:32:51 | Does it seem like reading the
manifesto and how you matched
with other information, that it
was consistent.
|
| 00:32:59 | >> The manifesto did make a
reference to, quote, a boatload
of income, a new business asset,
a pan okay, which I had no idea
how to handle.
|
| 00:33:10 | In the manifesto, it does
mention the irs by name, so it
does seem to point to motivation
on his part there.
|
| 00:33:19 | >> Chris, as far as trying to
circle back and talking to
colleagues of this joe stack or
friend, have you been able to
pick up anything from them?
|
| 00:33:28 | Any red flags that might have
existed or strange behaviors in
the weeks leading up to this?
|
| 00:33:34 | >> Not so far, david.
|
| 00:33:36 | From what I've learned, stack
has a new wife, as he mentioned
in his note, who is an area
musician in austin, which is a
pretty vibrant music community,
as well as a 12-year-old child.
|
| 00:33:51 | Both of them were apparently in
the house this morning when a
fire was lit.
|
| 00:33:59 | Both escaped safely, apparently.
|
| 00:34:02 | >> Chris, houston bureau chief
for reuters.
|
| 00:34:05 | Thanks for joining us.
|
| 00:34:06 | We appreciate it.
|
| 00:34:06 | >> Thank you, david.
|
| 00:34:07 | >> As you can imagine, whenever
there's an aircraft crash,
something like this, the federal
aviation administration,
department of transportation
also pool their resources to try
to piece together about what
they may know about what
happened, who may have seen
something at an aircraft, check
it out, whether they got
permission, flight plains.
|
| 00:34:30 | Joins us mary schiavo.
|
| 00:34:37 | As far as how many people had
contact with him at the airport,
how many would be valuable to
investigators essentially trying
to close this case?
|
| 00:34:47 | >> The problem is in an airport
where you are already known and
where you have an aircraft and
where they know you as a pilot,
there aren't a lot of red flags
that go up.
|
| 00:34:56 | Our federal aviation regulations
and security regulations at
private airports to private
planes are aimed at weeding out
people that don't belong there.
|
| 00:35:07 | You're supposed to be vigilant,
watchful.
|
| 00:35:10 | People might not have noticed
anything strange.
|
| 00:35:13 | He was a pilot, had a plane he
owned or had full access to.
|
| 00:35:17 | There wouldn't be a lot of red
flags.
|
| 00:35:19 | The only thing people would be
able to report is if he saudi
anything in recent days, said
anything when he took off.
|
| 00:35:26 | Very little time to stop him,
though.
|
| 00:35:29 | >> With these malplanes, he's
not required to file a
flightplan, if he doesn't want
to?
|
| 00:35:35 | >> That's right.
|
| 00:35:35 | It was a clear day.
|
| 00:35:38 | He was clearing not flying
insty if
he entered the traffic area of a
controlled tower, air traffic
control area, positive control
area, would he be required to?
|
| 00:35:52 | Unfortunately once he took off,
if you're not going ifr filing a
flightplan, you don't have to.
|
| 00:36:01 | Once you're up there, you're
free to go in the sky where you
choose.
|
| 00:36:06 | >> Does this change anything how
the faa handle now private
pilots at these airports or you
just have to hope the percentage
of people who want to kill
themselves will take other
people by aircraft is in
finities mally small.
|
| 00:36:23 | >> This is a tough one for ntsa
and federal aviation
administration.
|
| 00:36:29 | All the regulations are aimed at
finding someone who doesn't
belong, aimed at finding someone
who might steal an aircraft.
|
| 00:36:36 | Where you already have a pilot's
license and a plane, that's more
difficult.
|
| 00:36:40 | Obviously you can require more
background checks, but in this
case, since he didn't have any
kind of -- at least as far as we
know, any type of memorial or
psychological problem
documented, no regulations on
books about problems, if you
pass your medical, very
difficult.
|
| 00:36:59 | They will have to look into
this, how they can flag people
with potential problems when
there's nothing on record.
|
| 00:37:05 | Aviation is a recordkeeping
industry.
|
| 00:37:07 | We always look for the trail of
paper.
|
| 00:37:09 | There's no trail of paper here
aviation wise.
|
| 00:37:13 | >> You've had a number of pilots
say there is a special culture,
regard for aircraft and
potential, whatnot, which makes
it more sort of likely if
someone did want to kill
themselves they wouldn't use an
airplane unless it was an act of
terrorism.
|
| 00:37:27 | I wonder if you can get more
into that.
|
| 00:37:29 | What is it about the pilot's
community, air transportation
community, that makes this thing
in your view and the view of so
many others, unlikely to happen
very often?
|
| 00:37:39 | >> Unfortunately this has
happened before.
|
| 00:37:43 | People are forgetting it happen
in florida after infantrymen.
|
| 00:37:46 | A teenager took a plane and flew
it into the side of a building.
|
| 00:37:49 | There have been many other
instances.
|
| 00:37:52 | There have been instances where
people suspected a suicide but
hasn't been proven because the
plane was destroyed or went do
the ocean.
|
| 00:38:01 | I don't think it's as rare as
people make it out to be.
|
| 00:38:04 | Pilots, like drivers of
automobiles, et cetera, have
problems.
|
| 00:38:07 | I don't think it's rare.
|
| 00:38:08 | I can think of several
instances, including most
recently because it was right
after 9/11, the teen in florida
who flew the plane into the
building as well.
|
| 00:38:18 | Not as rare as you think.
|
| 00:38:20 | >> Mary, thanks for being with
us today.
|
| 00:38:21 | >> Thank you.
|
| 00:38:24 | >>> There's still a lot of
unanswered questions about this
incident in austin, texas,
involving a man named joseph
stack who flew his small plane
into an office building housing
the irs.
|
| 00:38:36 | How was it so many people were
able to get out unscathed?
|
| 00:38:39 | Only two injuries reported.
|
| 00:38:41 | One person apparently missing.
|
| 00:38:43 | That's incredibly small when you
look at those pictures and see
the size of the fire.
|
| 00:38:49 | A little more to what was going
on at the time.
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| 00:38:53 | Other news on msnbc.
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>>> In austin, texas, federal
officials just concluded a
briefing they provided for
several people about what
happened when this plane slammed
into an office building in
austin.
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| 00:42:18 | CONGRESSMAN mike McCall was part
of the briefing and he joins us
now.
|
| 00:42:23 | Congressman, what did you learn
from the briefing you just got?
|
| 00:42:27 | >> Right now law enforcement is
going through the building to
make sure there's no one still
left in the building.
|
| 00:42:35 | There were several injured taken
to the hospital.
|
| 00:42:38 | They had severe burns.
|
| 00:42:39 | You know, when you look at the
building, just the physical
inspection, item out at the site
right now, this is a small
aircraft, piper cub.
|
| 00:42:48 | The amount of damage it did in
terp of the gasoline catching
the building on fire is really
extraordinary.
|
| 00:42:59 | I think the efforts of the local
ems, fire department and police
department in saving lives was a
very heroic action in austin.
|
| 00:43:09 | >> How do they explain how a
small plane with 40 to 50
gallons could cause a fire this
bag.
|
| 00:43:17 | Is there some indication it
struck a gas line inside?
|
| 00:43:19 | A lot of people will ask this
question.
|
| 00:43:22 | >> It has two tanks, as i
understand it.
|
| 00:43:26 | He probably filled up two tanks.
|
| 00:43:28 | He's flying a short distance
from the georgetown airport.
|
| 00:43:31 | Literally the plane bounced off
the top of the car and hit the
first floor of the irs building.
|
| 00:43:37 | Because it hit at a low point
with all that gasoline, the fire
started to go up.
|
| 00:43:45 | The building, not unlike the
twin towers, what we experienced
in that case.
|
| 00:43:50 | >> There was every indication
this guy was acting alone.
|
| 00:43:52 | He wanted to take his own life
an was willing to use an
aircraft to do it and perhaps
take out people he had
complaints with in the irs.
|
| 00:44:00 | I know that you're the ranking
member of the homeland security
intelligence subcommittee.
|
| 00:44:05 | >> Right.
|
| 00:44:06 | >> As far as the terrorist plots
to use an aircraft like this,
and again this the first thing
that comes in everybody's mind
when they see the pictures, hear
these stories, oh, it's
terrorism.
|
| 00:44:17 | We know it wasn't terrorism in
this case.
|
| 00:44:19 | What are the concerns out there
as far as this type of method of
terrorism?
|
| 00:44:23 | >> Dave, that's an excellent
point.
|
| 00:44:26 | You point out this was not
terrorist related.
|
| 00:44:29 | It was isolated.
|
| 00:44:30 | However, we have been very
concerned for years about the
private.
|
| 00:44:37 | We know the mastermind, lead
hijacker was flying private
aircraft.
|
| 00:44:44 | A gulf stream would be larger
than this piper cub, could do
extensive damage.
|
| 00:44:48 | What can be done to stop that?
|
| 00:44:51 | That's the real issue.
|
| 00:44:52 | What can we do to prevent
something like this in the
future if potential terrorists
want to take an aircraft and
slam it into a building.
|
| 00:45:04 | When you look at the damage done
by one of the smallest aircrafts
out there, the idea a gulf
stream fly into the capital or
white house, it's a scary
prospect.
|
| 00:45:13 | It's something congress needs to
look at.
|
| 00:45:17 | >> CONGRESSMAN mike McCaul
giving us an update.
|
| 00:45:24 | Appreciate it.
|
| 00:45:25 | >> Thank you.
|
| 00:45:25 | >> We want to shift gears.
|
| 00:45:28 | Again, we'll keep an eye on
what's going on in austin.
|
| 00:45:31 | We'll bring you news from the
olympics in vancouver.
|
| 00:45:35 | American athletes picked up six
medals yesterday, the most won
in a single day by any u.s.
|
| 00:45:42 | Winter olympic team.
|
| 00:45:44 | Golden girl lindsey vonn back on
the slopes.
|
| 00:45:47 | Yesterday she raced in the
downhill despite the shin
injury.
|
| 00:45:51 | She shared the podium with julie
mancuso who got the silver.
|
| 00:45:56 | Both avoided spills that knocked
some out of the competition.
|
| 00:46:02 | Shaun white soared above the
pack to bring home the medal in
the halfpipe.
|
| 00:46:08 | Shani became the first to win
back-to-back gold medals in the
men's race.
|
| 00:46:13 | >>> Chris jansing has the latest
on today's developments today in
vancouver.
|
| 00:46:17 | Chris, lindsey vonn back on the
slopes.
|
| 00:46:19 | What are we looking for today?
|
| 00:46:21 | >> Yeah.
|
| 00:46:23 | Lindsey vonn has been back on
the slopes going for gold number
two in the women's combined
event, a combination of one
downhill run followed by a
slalom.
|
| 00:46:33 | Her strength is the downhill.
|
| 00:46:35 | She crushed the competition
yesterday.
|
| 00:46:38 | That first half is over.
|
| 00:46:39 | If you don't want to know where
she stands halfway through the
competition, turn your tv down.
|
| 00:46:43 | Here is your spoiler alert.
|
| 00:46:46 | At this point vonn is number one
after the downhill portion of
the combined.
|
| 00:46:50 | She is in the lead.
|
| 00:46:52 | The technical skiing of the
slalom not her strength but
she's definitely improved.
|
| 00:46:56 | Again, she does go in with the
lead.
|
| 00:46:59 | We'll see how she does in the
combined.
|
| 00:47:02 | Three more events to go after
that.
|
| 00:47:05 | >> A couple of big events, the
golden girls of the halfpipe.
|
| 00:47:09 | I know you spent time with all
of them.
|
| 00:47:11 | Give us a preview of that race.
|
| 00:47:13 | >> It's an interesting dynamic.
|
| 00:47:14 | They are really close friends.
|
| 00:47:16 | They have all been snowboarding
doeg for much of their adult
lives, hannah teter, gretchen
bleiler, number one an number
two.
|
| 00:47:28 | In 2006 kelly clark was the gold
medalist in 2002, all of them
with a legitimate shot.
|
| 00:47:35 | Two other contenders, including
a skier from australia who is
very strong.
|
| 00:47:41 | It is possible there could be a
sweep.
|
| 00:47:43 | I wouldn't be surprised if we
saw gold for team usa and, of
course, the big competition
tonight on the ice.
|
| 00:47:49 | That is the finals in the men's
figure skating.
|
| 00:47:52 | David.
|
| 00:47:53 | >> Nbc's chris jansing in
vancouver.
|
| 00:47:55 | Chris, thanks for the update.
|
| 00:47:57 | >>> By the way, we have got more
olympic hockey action for you
today right here on msnbc, team
usa, the women who coached by
the 1980 miracle on ice, mark
johnson along with hilary knight
and julie chu will take on their
toughest opponents, battle
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| 00:51:29 | >>> Tiger woods is about to
break his silence tomorrow
morning.
|
| 00:51:33 | The golf champion will make his
first public appearance since
crashing his suv into a tree
outside his home the day after
thanksgiving.
|
| 00:51:41 | The golfer will apparently
attempt to make amends tomorrow
for the sex scandal that erupted
after his accident.
|
| 00:51:48 | Nbc's charles joins us from st.
|
| 00:51:50 | Augustine, florida, with the
latest details.
|
| 00:51:54 | >> Reporter: Hi, david.
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| 00:51:55 | As typical of tiger woods, this
will be strictly controlled.
|
| 00:51:58 | 00
tomorrow morning eastern time.
|
| 00:52:03 | Tiger woods will speak for the
first time regarding the
incident that happened back in
november that led to his
derailing of his career, at
least temporarily.
|
| 00:52:12 | Three months of silence from
tiger woods.
|
| 00:52:14 | We expect to hear from him
tomorrow.
|
| 00:52:16 | What he will say, we don't know.
|
| 00:52:18 | We do know that agent mark
steinberg says that tiger will
apologize for his actions.
|
| 00:52:23 | He will not take questions.
|
| 00:52:25 | There will be reporters in the
room, hand-picked by the golf
writers association.
|
| 00:52:30 | And also, there will be wire
service reporters in the room.
|
| 00:52:33 | But no television reporters, and
only one camera that will be
strictly controlled.
|
| 00:52:39 | Tiger will read a statement and
then the world will know what is
on tiger's mind.
|
| 00:52:43 | Will it be the rebirth of his
career?
|
| 00:52:46 | The answer will come tomorrow.
|
| 00:52:49 | David?
|
| 00:52:49 | >> Nbc's charles hadlock live in
florida.
|
| 00:52:52 | We eagerly anticipate that
event.
|
| 00:52:54 | Thanks for the report.
|
| 00:52:55 | By the way, this brings us to
our top 3 today.
|
| 00:52:58 | And to set this up, we want to
start by showing you one famous
apology that was considered at
the time very successful.
|
| 00:53:03 | Watch.
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| 00:53:06 | >> My truth is that I am a gay
american.
|
| 00:53:10 | >> With those words, new jersey
GOVERNOR jim McGreevey had
reporters and columnists going
from writing to a sex scandal
was writing about his bravery in
coming out.
|
| 00:53:20 | This brings us to the top 3, the
worst apologies.
|
| 00:53:23 | The ones that left you wanting
to throw something at the
screen.
|
| 00:53:26 | We start with south carolina
governor mark sanford's rambling
explanation of a relationship
with a friend from argentina
that turned into something more.
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| 00:53:35 | >> Recently, over this last
year, developed into something
much more than that.
|
| 00:53:40 | And as a consequence, I hurt
her.
|
| 00:53:45 | I hurt you all.
|
| 00:53:46 | I hurt my wife.
|
| 00:53:47 | I hurt my boys.
|
| 00:53:51 | >> Did you notice who was first
on sanford's list of people he
hurt?
|
| 00:53:55 | It was not his wife.
|
| 00:53:57 | If you're going to apologize for
an affair, don't put the
mistress first on the victim's
list.
|
| 00:54:04 | Good grief.
|
| 00:54:04 | Number two in terms of the worst
apologies.
|
| 00:54:08 | Chris brown for this.
|
| 00:54:09 | >> Since february I've been
advised not to speak out since
the incident, I wanted to
publicly accept full
responsibility.
|
| 00:54:17 | Although I would do some
interviews and answer some
questions in the future, i
thought it was time you heard
directly from me that I'm sorry.
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| 00:54:25 | >> Never mind that this apology
came five months after his
alleged assault of rihanna.
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| 00:54:30 | When you apologize, don't start
by mentioning your lawyer's
advice.
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| 00:54:35 | But our number one in terms of
the worst apologies we've ever
seen, a golden oldie, jimmy
swagert after he was caught with
a prostitute.
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| 00:54:45 | >> I have sinned against you, my
lord.
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| 00:54:50 | And I would ask that you --
>> the tears on television just
over the top.
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| 00:54:57 | You also have to deduct
sincerity points for that.
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| 00:55:02 | Especially because as we know
now, he was caught doing the
same thing just a few years
later.
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| 00:55:07 | The three worst apologies.
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| 00:55:09 | Keep those in mind as you look
for tiger woods tomorrow.
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| 00:55:12 | I have a feeling it will be a
different story, but we'll see.
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| 00:55:15 | >>> That's our show for this
thursday.
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| 00:55:18 | Up next, "the dylan ragan
"
dylan will have the latest on
our coverage of the plane crash
in texas.
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| 00:58:29 | >>> Good afternoon.
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| 00:58:30 | I'm dylan ratigan.
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| 00:58:32 | Breaking news today, a man
crashing his plane into an irs
office after posting an angry
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