| 00:00:01 | Mike barnicle and donny deutsch
and pat buchanan also joins us
live from washington, d.c.
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| 00:00:08 | This is an all-star show.
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| 00:00:11 | I have to start with pat
buchanan.
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| 00:00:13 | We'll be playing released nixon
tapes where the question is
asked of nixon, could ronald
reagan ever be president of the
united states, like o'reilly and
letterman were doing last night.
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| 00:00:23 | Nixon said, my god, could you
ever imagine what would happen
if ronald reagan were president?
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| 00:00:31 | >> It was a misjudgment I think,
joe, on his part.
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| 00:00:38 | >> It happens though, pat.
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| 00:00:39 | Some people would say that there
are a lot of similar
misjudgments about sarah palin.
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| 00:00:43 | Do you still think sarah palin
can be president of the united
states?
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| 00:00:47 | >> I think she can win the
you win
the republican nomination, i
think you've probably got an
automatic one in three or one in
four chance of being president
of the united states.
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| 00:00:58 | But on ronald reagan, nixon,
quite frankly, joe, was
apprehensive about him as a
candidate in '68 because he was
so powerful on a stage.
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| 00:01:08 | Nixon would not go on a stage
with reagan.
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| 00:01:10 | But I don't think he felt he had
the depth or weight at that
time.
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| 00:01:15 | But reagan certainly showed it
in subsequent commentaries and
all the rest and, of course, in
his presidency.
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| 00:01:23 | >> Nixon was a smart guy not to
go on stage with ronald reagan.
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| 00:01:26 | >> Exactly.
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| 00:01:26 | >> You can't say the same thing
about gerald ford at the 1976
convention.
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| 00:01:31 | >>> A big show today, willie
geist.
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| 00:01:33 | Ed rendell is going to be here,
pat toomey, the keystone state
smackdown.
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| 00:01:39 | Also, of course, michelle rhee.
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| 00:01:41 | Willie, you have a lot to talk
about today.
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| 00:01:43 | >> A lot to talk about.
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| 00:01:45 | You're the only person in the
country calling it the keystone
state smackdown.
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| 00:01:49 | I like it.
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| 00:01:50 | I want to know where pat keeps
the rest of the nixon tapes?
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| 00:01:54 | >> A few in my files I kept.
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| 00:01:55 | The others are gone.
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| 00:01:57 | Got some good ones though,
willie.
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| 00:02:00 | >> The personal stash.
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| 00:02:01 | >>> Let's dig into the
headlines.
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| 00:02:03 | This morning's "new york times"
reports that president obama is
considering a pusherly next year
for an overhaul of the income
tax code.
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| 00:02:11 | The overhaul would be to lower
rates and raise revenues.
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| 00:02:15 | In his first major effort to
begin addressing the long-term
growth of the national debt.
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| 00:02:19 | That report comes as the battle
over the tax cut compromise.
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| 00:02:21 | He negotiated with republicans,
continues to stir up in
washington.
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| 00:02:26 | The president will meet with
former president bill clinton at
the white house today, called
him in, summoned him to the oval
office to talk about moving
forward with his agenda.
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| 00:02:36 | This morning president obama
tells npr in an interview that a
revolt by house democrats will
not stop his tax deal.
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| 00:02:43 | >> Here is what I'm confident
about, that nobody, democrat or
republican, wants to see
people's paychecks smaller on
january 1st because congress
didn't act.
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| 00:02:56 | My sense is that there are going
to be discussions between both
house and senate leadership
about all the final elements of
the package.
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| 00:03:03 | Keep in mind we didn't actually
write a bill.
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| 00:03:06 | We put forward a framework.
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| 00:03:08 | I'm confident that the framework
is going to look like the one we
put forward.
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| 00:03:13 | >> That prediction appears at
this point to be moving forward.
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| 00:03:16 | Last night the senate released
its bill to extend the bush era
tax cuts for two years, adding
minor provisions aimed at
winning over hesitant democrats
in both chambers.
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| 00:03:24 | The legislation expected to face
a key test vote on monday
afternoon.
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| 00:03:29 | It mirrors the deal that obama
struck with republicans, but
adds sweeteners including a
continuation of federal tax
break for mass transit users and
ethanol tax credit and grant
program for renewable energy
developers.
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| 00:03:44 | Joe, what do you make of all
this?
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| 00:03:46 | >> It's fascinating.
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| 00:03:47 | I wanted to ask donny deutsch.
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| 00:03:49 | I'm still having trouble keeping
up with the president here.
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| 00:03:51 | You know about branding.
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| 00:03:53 | This is a guy branded as a
champion of progressives, and
now he is -- the past week he
can only be described as a jack
kemp democrat.
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| 00:04:04 | He's a supply-cider.
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| 00:04:06 | He's cutting everything, the
deficit is going to explode.
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| 00:04:10 | He says don't worry about it.
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| 00:04:11 | We've got to get the economy
moving.
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| 00:04:13 | I'm serious about this.
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| 00:04:14 | I have been trying to get my
arms around -- I've never seen a
political candidate move so
abruptly from the far left to,
again, a position jack kemp
would have celebrated.
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| 00:04:26 | How does that affect his brand
in the long run?
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| 00:04:28 | >> First ouf all, he survives.
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| 00:04:30 | That's number one.
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| 00:04:30 | He had to move to the center.
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| 00:04:32 | You've got to look at history.
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| 00:04:34 | Obviously clinton didn't do it
quite as abruptly.
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| 00:04:36 | This is the right move.
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| 00:04:38 | It's jobs, jobs, jobs.
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| 00:04:40 | It's the me, the me, the
economy.
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| 00:04:48 | 2% Social security, the
unemployment benefits, that's
real money into the economy.
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| 00:04:55 | He had no choice.
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| 00:04:56 | It's plain and simple.
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| 00:04:58 | I salute the guy.
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| 00:04:59 | You mentioned yesterday did he
have to go as far as extending
to it the people making a
million plus, people like pat
buchanan.
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| 00:05:07 | I don't know if he had to do
that.
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| 00:05:10 | >> People like pat buchanan.
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| 00:05:11 | Are you like ted turner, on your
last dollar?
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| 00:05:14 | You are cut off for that
demagogue.
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| 00:05:18 | Pat buchanan, I'm going to you
now.
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| 00:05:21 | Pat, I've never seen anything
like it.
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| 00:05:23 | Bill clinton went to the center,
but he fought us every step of
the way.
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| 00:05:26 | This guy seriously has gone from
the far left economically to
what many would consider the far
right, saying let's give tax
cuts to millionaires.
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| 00:05:35 | It's the best way to stimulate
the economy.
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| 00:05:37 | >> Joe, you're seeing the making
of a president.
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| 00:05:40 | I thought what barack obama did
was statesmanlike, it was
presidential.
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| 00:05:46 | The republicans have won that
battle on the tax cuts for the
wealthy and the rich.
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| 00:05:49 | They won it in the senate.
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| 00:05:51 | Nothing else was going to go
forward.
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| 00:05:53 | The president has got another
agenda.
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| 00:05:55 | He said let's accept reality.
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| 00:05:56 | He went in there with bad field
position, the clock running out.
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| 00:06:00 | I think he came out with 50% of
the pot.
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| 00:06:04 | I congratulate him on it, quite
frankly.
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| 00:06:07 | You're right, joe, it is supply
side all the way.
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| 00:06:09 | The one thing I fear is none of
this is paid for and it's
another trillion dollars on the
deficit.
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| 00:06:14 | I think the president did
extremely well.
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| 00:06:17 | I congratulate him.
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| 00:06:18 | It is really presidential.
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| 00:06:19 | He recognized reality and said
look, guys, I've got to deal
with it.
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| 00:06:24 | I'm not going into the new year
with folks without their
unemployment and folks getting a
tax increase, I'm just not doing
it.
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| 00:06:31 | >> Joe, I couldn't agree with
pat more.
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| 00:06:33 | A great president, great leader,
a great ceo listens and hears
and reacts.
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| 00:06:40 | Yes, ideologically he's taken a
hard right turn, but it's the
right turn.
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| 00:06:44 | It's the smart turn.
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| 00:06:45 | He doesn't have to play the
congressional democratic base by
snubbing his nose to them.
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| 00:06:54 | More importantly for the
well-being of the country he
made the right leadership move.
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| 00:06:58 | >> By the way, donny, let me
just say I like the gray
t-shirt, a change in the black
t-shirt.
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| 00:07:04 | It offsets your hair very well.
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| 00:07:06 | >> You, too, are a handsome man,
joe.
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| 00:07:08 | >> I know I am.
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| 00:07:10 | Mike, I want to also, while
we're all praising barack obama
here, I might as well get in a
couple of praises as well.
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| 00:07:18 | I have always said privately to
friends associated with the
white house that they should
reach out to bill clinton more
and that they should reach out
to jamie diamond.
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| 00:07:32 | I know we had problems with
jamie diamond.
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| 00:07:36 | Regardless of what you think
about either of those men, bill
clinton can help you win in this
new environment and jamie
diamond can get wall street back
on your side.
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| 00:07:46 | Of course, that will offend a
lot of progressives.
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| 00:07:49 | There's $2 billion sitting on
the sidelines waiting to be
invested in america's economy.
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| 00:07:53 | And the reality in 2010 is, at
the end of 2010, no man in
america can tell wall street
it's okay to invest their money
more than jachl many diamond and
get results.
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| 00:08:05 | Right now he's the most trusted
guy on wall street.
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| 00:08:09 | That could have been a great
move sitting there and talking
to him.
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| 00:08:13 | >> Well, you know, it might be
that with the former president
clinton's visit to the white
house today and clearly some
approaches have been made to the
business community by the obama
administration, not only with
jamie diamond, but brian
moynihan, head of bank of
america, things like that.
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| 00:08:30 | It might be that they're trying
to rupturebubble.
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| 00:08:42 | To donny's point and pat's
point, we might be missing a
larger story here around this
whole tax bill, a larger story
than the president.
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| 00:08:50 | It might be that we're looking
at a story that involves the
fact that washington and
specifically the congress is so
poisoned and polarized, that
they no longer know how to make
a deal.
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| 00:09:00 | They no longer know how to build
a coalition, and the house
democrats are truly, in my mind,
a pathetic lot.
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| 00:09:12 | They have had power for four
years.
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| 00:09:14 | If they're so invested in
slapping, spanking people who
make over a million dollar with
more taxes -- which I'm in favor
of.
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| 00:09:22 | I think everybody is in favor of
that -- why did nay not do it a
year ago, two years ago, instead
of complaining about it today?
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| 00:09:29 | >> That is a great question,
mike barnicle.
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| 00:09:31 | It's a question that democrats
are going to have to answer
moving forward.
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| 00:09:36 | I want to say, willie, while i
praise the president
politically, I have to say
policywise, I'm with pat
buchanan.
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| 00:09:45 | I'm deeply, deeply disturbed by
this deal.
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| 00:09:48 | I'm disturbed because the
deficit commission came back
with recommendations on how we
cut $4 trillion from our debt
over the next 30 years, and they
couldn't get it voted up or down
in the house.
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| 00:10:02 | The weekend after the commission
adjourned, president obama and
house republicans and democrats,
senate republicans and democrats
decided to add an additional
trillion dollars to our national
debt.
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| 00:10:16 | I don't think we can afford this
bill.
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| 00:10:18 | I don't think we can afford all
the extensions of all of these
things unless they're paid for.
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| 00:10:25 | I think that's going to be the
great takeaway, that in the end
more of the same, more reckless
spending.
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| 00:10:31 | >> It is remarkable for all the
talk about deficits and we're
all hawks now.
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| 00:10:37 | >>> $1 Trillion will be add fd
this goes through.
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| 00:10:42 | You're not the only one upset.
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| 00:10:44 | House democrats rejected the
deal yesterday.
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| 00:10:48 | Democrats objecting to the
two-year extension to the bush
tax cuts for all americans as
well as the highest earners as
well as rates that are too low
for the estate tax.
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| 00:10:59 | Chris van hollen explained why
his party broke ranks with the
president.
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| 00:11:03 | >> We think it's incredibly
irresponsible that the
republicans took the position
they did.
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| 00:11:07 | We also understand that the
president has to make some tough
decisions going forward.
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| 00:11:10 | But what this message today is
very simple, that the -- in the
form that it was negotiated, it
is not acceptable to the house
democratic caucus.
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| 00:11:25 | It's as simple as that.
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| 00:11:26 | >> I think the republicans are
blowing smoke if they say that
they were not going to extend
unemployment benefits and they
were going to go home for
christmas not having done that.
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| 00:11:40 | I don't believe they could
withstand the pummeling that i
and others would have
administered to them.
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| 00:11:48 | What unfettered greed on their
part to do something which
benefits a very, very, very few.
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| 00:11:52 | To say for those millions of
americans struggling to make
ends meet because they don't
have jobs because of the
failures of republican policies,
tough luck.
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| 00:12:01 | >> JOE, DeFAZIO MAKING THE POT
We've been making for a couple
weeks, call republicans' bluff.
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| 00:12:07 | You don't want to extend
unemployment benefits for the
holidays?
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| 00:12:11 | Make my day.
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| 00:12:12 | >> Yeah.
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| 00:12:12 | The president would have won
that argument.
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| 00:12:14 | He decided not to have it.
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| 00:12:17 | I want to go back and underline
something we said a second ago
that pat has talked about and
pass it around the table.
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| 00:12:23 | Pat buchanan, over the past
eight years, nine years,
democrats and the media have
been' vis rating republicans.
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| 00:12:32 | I have done the same, for
fighting two wars whi having a
tax cut while increasing
entitlement spending.
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| 00:12:42 | And yet look what we've done
now.
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| 00:12:45 | What are we doing?
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| 00:12:46 | We're fighting two wars.
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| 00:12:47 | They're extending these tax cuts
they said they hated.
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| 00:12:51 | Entitlement spending increases.
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| 00:12:52 | It's more of the same.
|
| 00:12:54 | If you look at the fiscal
bush
and look at the fiscal
recklessness of barack obama,
this deal continues that
recklessness.
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| 00:13:04 | And it's the same thing.
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| 00:13:05 | There's always an emergency.
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| 00:13:07 | 9/11 Is an emergency.
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| 00:13:08 | We need tax cuts.
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| 00:13:11 | We need to fight these wars.
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| 00:13:13 | The bailouts, because it's
always emergency.
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| 00:13:16 | But the real emergency is, pat,
we go deeper and deeper in debt.
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| 00:13:21 | >> What the whole strategy here
is, let's do the tax cuts and
really boost the economy
strongly.
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| 00:13:28 | Get it rolling.
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| 00:13:28 | So that creates revenue, et
cetera, and takes people off
unemployment.
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| 00:13:32 | And then we deal with the
deficit.
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| 00:13:34 | My fear, joe, is that we are
much closer to the cliff than
people think.
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| 00:13:39 | You take a look what happened to
the bond market in the two days
after this deal hit, basically
people were saying in effect,
running away from federal bonds,
saying in effect we're closer to
default down the line.
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| 00:13:53 | You see what's happening in
ireland and california,
illinois.
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| 00:13:58 | All these governments are closer
and closer to the cliff.
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| 00:14:01 | If one goes over, I think they
all go over.
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| 00:14:05 | I agree with you.
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| 00:14:06 | I think we're much closer to a
real financial crisis in the
banks and governments than other
people think, and in that sense,
I think this bill probably
brings us closer.
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| 00:14:15 | >> Joe, I think you mentioned
two things in there.
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| 00:14:18 | You mentioned the wars and
entitlements, the tax cuts had
to happen.
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| 00:14:22 | We've got to put money in
people's pockets to pat's point.
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| 00:14:25 | Let's look at what christie is
doing in new jersey.
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| 00:14:28 | What's got to give -- something
has got to give.
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| 00:14:30 | We're not a country of sacrifice
anymore when it comes to the
unions, entitlements.
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| 00:14:36 | There's got to be -- let's take
10% across the board, look at it
as a business, including
defense.
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| 00:14:42 | 10% Across the board is coming
off the top.
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| 00:14:45 | There's no other way around.
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| 00:14:46 | As a country, nobody wants to
give anywhere.
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| 00:14:48 | And that's it.
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| 00:14:49 | >> You're right.
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| 00:14:51 | One of the problems with that
is, again, going back to
washington, we have a collection
of political creatures in the
house and the senate.
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| 00:15:00 | They care about their
congressional districts.
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| 00:15:04 | They care about their
re-election.
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| 00:15:06 | Number three, they might care
about the country.
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| 00:15:07 | Nobody cares about the country.
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| 00:15:09 | What's best for the country.
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| 00:15:11 | >> We're also worried about how
much money we're spending,
something else we'll talk about
this morning.
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| 00:15:15 | The senate voted down the bill
that would have given $7 billion
to health care for 9/11 first
responders.
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| 00:15:22 | That happened yesterday.
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| 00:15:22 | Also coming up, royal rumble.
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| 00:15:28 | Prince charles' car comes under
attack in london.
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| 00:15:32 | An angry crowd.
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| 00:15:34 | >> I was there.
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| 00:15:34 | >> Wow, look at that.
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| 00:15:36 | >>> Also 40 years after his
death, a victory in court for
jim morrison.
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| 00:15:42 | He exposed himself --
>> donny is laughing, as if to
say we've all been there.
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| 00:15:52 | We'll be right back.
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| 00:15:53 | >>> Good morning everyone.
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| 00:15:54 | We're going to continue to watch
your weekend forecast.
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| 00:15:56 | As far as temperatures go,
another cold morning out there,
but not as bad windwise.
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| 00:16:04 | Temperatures 9 in hartford, 10
in albany.
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| 00:16:07 | Not too bad today.
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| 00:16:08 | Snow flurries from buffalo to
albany.
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| 00:16:11 | The forecast problems, a
snowstorm in idaho, in montana.
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| 00:16:15 | That's going to move into the
middle of the country, already a
blizzard watch for areas of iowa
and southern minnesota.
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| 00:16:20 | That's the worst of it.
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| 00:16:21 | By sunday, that mess will head
to the east coast.
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| 00:16:24 | Highest snowfall totals,
minnesota into wisconsin, up to
a foot and the eastern seaboard,
a day to get things done indoors
you want to get that
christmas tree, do it saturday.
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| 00:16:33 | That's a look another your
forecast.
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| 00:19:58 | >>> You don't even have to watch
the press conference with the
sound up to understand how angry
obama is.
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| 00:20:03 | The sign language guy in the
corner says it all.
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| 00:20:06 | >> This is the public option
debate all over again.
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| 00:20:10 | So I pass a signature piece of
legislation where we finally get
health care for all americans,
something that democrats have
been fighting for for 100 years.
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| 00:20:22 | >> I can't believe the sign
language guy.
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| 00:20:25 | >> Let's take a lookpw
morning papers.
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| 00:20:30 | "
the outcome of the senate race
will likely be made official
today.
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| 00:20:34 | A judge is expected to rule on
joe miller's challenge to lisa
murkowski's apparent write-in
victory.
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| 00:20:41 | >>> "New york times," obama's
former budget director peter
orszag is now working on wall
street.
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| 00:20:46 | He took a job as the vice
president of global banking at
citigroup.
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| 00:20:52 | Last week citi hired carlos
guiterrez to a similar post.
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| 00:20:56 | >> Can I interrupt?
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| 00:20:57 | I don't like that guy orszag.
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| 00:21:01 | He married bianna goll dreeg ga
from good morning america who i
wanted to go on a date with.
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| 00:21:09 | I don't like the man.
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| 00:21:10 | He went get out of my way and
went right for the big vice
chairman of city.
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| 00:21:18 | >>> "Miami herald," 40 years
after his death, a clemency
board voted to pardon jim morley
son.
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| 00:21:25 | He was convicted of exposing
himself during a miami concert
in 1969.
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| 00:21:30 | If he had only gotten donny's
lawyer, over a long time ago.
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| 00:21:34 | >>> Good news on the front page
of the new york time, the royal
couple rattled.
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| 00:21:39 | Their car came under attack by a
mob of students upset over
tuition hikes.
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| 00:21:45 | The car was hit by paint and had
a window smashed on their way to
the theater.
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| 00:21:49 | >> Shouldn't royals have a nicer
car?
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| 00:21:54 | >> It's a rolls royce.
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| 00:22:01 | Tuition hikes.
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| 00:22:02 | Have they seen college tuition
here in the streets?
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| 00:22:07 | >> They can't even chill their
own milk.
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| 00:22:09 | >>> Let's bring in nicole lapin
at cnbc headquarters.
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| 00:22:14 | China the big story today.
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| 00:22:15 | >> Absolutely.
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| 00:22:16 | This just came out in the last
hour or so.
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| 00:22:18 | They increased reserve
requirements.
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| 00:22:21 | That's basically the amount of
the banks have to hold there.
|
| 00:22:23 | They've been projecting this for
a while.
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| 00:22:25 | We were largely expecting it.
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| 00:22:27 | But, but, but, we could see a
rate hike.
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| 00:22:31 | That's a bigger deal.
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| 00:22:34 | The rate hikes are shooting
rubber bullets before they do
that.
|
| 00:22:37 | This is how china rolls.
|
| 00:22:39 | They do the stuff on friday all
the time after their markets
close, albeit higher.
|
| 00:22:45 | They typically do this over the
weekend.
|
| 00:22:48 | >> I love the way you put that.
|
| 00:22:50 | A big day in the united states.
|
| 00:22:54 | >> Trifecta, a trio of sorts.
|
| 00:22:56 | 30 in
the morning.
|
| 00:22:58 | We're getting trade deficit
numbers.
|
| 00:23:00 | The gab is expected to hold at
$44 billion.
|
| 00:23:04 | Import prices and crop reports.
|
| 00:23:05 | Look for a move on corn.
|
| 00:23:07 | I know that's very exciting to
you.
|
| 00:23:09 | >> Move on corn.
|
| 00:23:10 | That's how we roll, nicole
lapin.
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| 00:23:12 | Thanks so much.
|
| 00:23:13 | Have a great weekend.
|
| 00:23:14 | >> You, too.
|
| 00:23:15 | >>> With us the chief white
house correspondent for
mike allen with a
look at the playbook.
|
| 00:23:21 | >> Happy friday.
|
| 00:23:22 | >> There it is.
|
| 00:23:23 | The show is not started until we
hear that.
|
| 00:23:26 | >>> You're report that chuck
schumer is on a mission to fight
president obama on the issue of
tax cuts.
|
| 00:23:32 | What are you find sng.
|
| 00:23:33 | >> Behind the scenes, it turns
out that president obama and
senator schumer who is in charge
of senate democrats messaging
are oil and water and have been
for years.
|
| 00:23:46 | This goes back to 2006 when
senator schumer was in charge of
the senate's democratic campaign
committee.
|
| 00:23:53 | And then senator obama was new
on capitol hill.
|
| 00:23:55 | Obama was the one that everyone
wanted in their campaign
appearances.
|
| 00:23:59 | So they had to sit down and work
out schedules.
|
| 00:24:02 | Never worked out.
|
| 00:24:05 | Senator schumer wanted a little
small talk, do the new york
thing.
|
| 00:24:07 | That's how he rolls.
|
| 00:24:08 | Senator obama wanted to get
right to business.
|
| 00:24:10 | That's how he rolls.
|
| 00:24:12 | He said then as the young
senator, he said to schumer, can
we move things on a little more
quickly.
|
| 00:24:18 | They didn't get off on a great
foot.
|
| 00:24:20 | Now there's a real difference in
their mission.
|
| 00:24:23 | President obama wants to be ab
xwov the fray.
|
| 00:24:25 | He wants to be reaching out to
independents.
|
| 00:24:28 | He wants to look nonpartisan.
|
| 00:24:31 | Back on the white house from the
2008 campaign.
|
| 00:24:33 | While senator schumer has every
incentive to make things more
partisan, to try to corner
republicans on these votes.
|
| 00:24:39 | So they're going totally
different ways and you're seeing
their public comments.
|
| 00:24:43 | >> Mike, it's donny.
|
| 00:24:45 | I love chuck schumer.
|
| 00:24:47 | We go back a long way.
|
| 00:24:48 | If I'm managing barack obama's
brand, I want to go against
schumer, you know torques the
populous, the middle of america,
he's the bad democrat.
|
| 00:24:55 | He stands for him.
|
| 00:24:56 | Him and nancy pelosi.
|
| 00:24:58 | So it is in barack obama's best
interest to have an additional
relationship.
|
| 00:25:03 | >> Well, and this is a chance
for obama, like with
republicans, to show himself as
the one who wants to reach out.
|
| 00:25:09 | He can say, as you put it, I'm
the good democrat.
|
| 00:25:13 | >> Joe, chuck schumer wanted the
president to hold the line at
250, not go up to a million
dollars on those tax breaks.
|
| 00:25:20 | >> Chuck schumer was talking
also about millionaire tax cuts.
|
| 00:25:24 | Listen, anybody that
underestimates chuck schumer
politically obviously doesn't
look at his track record.
|
| 00:25:32 | Donny deutsch, help me out here,
buddy.
|
| 00:25:34 | I just don't understand, if
obama is now a jack kemp
democrat, what's his brand?
|
| 00:25:42 | What does he stand for?
|
| 00:25:44 | I'm serious.
|
| 00:25:45 | What does he campaign on in
2012?
|
| 00:25:52 | Because he's tripled the number
of troops in afghanistan, gitmo
is staying open.
|
| 00:25:57 | They're not even trying these
guys that they're detaining
anymore.
|
| 00:26:02 | He's cutting taxes more than
republicans would ever want,
deficits are going to explode
another trillion dollars under
him.
|
| 00:26:10 | Seriously, what does barack
obama run on?
|
| 00:26:12 | >> I think he runs as an
independent.
|
| 00:26:15 | Hear me out.
|
| 00:26:16 | I'm not being glib.
|
| 00:26:16 | In reality every poll shows the
extreme on both sides the
country does not want.
|
| 00:26:20 | This is what they don't want.
|
| 00:26:22 | I've mentioned a little bit.
|
| 00:26:24 | I think mike bloomberg could be
the next president of the united
states.
|
| 00:26:27 | He doesn't have to worry about a
primary.
|
| 00:26:30 | He's not -- nobody is going to
challenge him.
|
| 00:26:31 | So why wouldn't he say, you know
what?
|
| 00:26:35 | I'm repelling all the way here,
repelling all the way here.
|
| 00:26:37 | This is where I am.
|
| 00:26:39 | This is the brand.
|
| 00:26:40 | I'm a hybrid.
|
| 00:26:42 | I'm not a pure ideologue.
|
| 00:26:43 | I stand for what is right.
|
| 00:26:45 | And what is right is a mixture.
|
| 00:26:47 | It's not all coming from this
side, not all coming from this
side.
|
| 00:26:51 | He doesn't have to worry about a
primary.
|
| 00:26:53 | Why wouldn't he do that?
|
| 00:26:54 | That's where the country is.
|
| 00:26:55 | You mentioned it a lot, joe, the
country doesn't swing like this.
|
| 00:26:59 | The country is right here.
|
| 00:27:00 | The politicians swing like this.
|
| 00:27:03 | He's getting it.
|
| 00:27:03 | I say, you know what?
|
| 00:27:05 | I'm a hybrid.
|
| 00:27:06 | In reality I'm for what's right.
|
| 00:27:08 | It's a mixed bag.
|
| 00:27:09 | >> He's prove tone the left he's
not a pure ideologue.
|
| 00:27:12 | Mike allen, thanks so much.
|
| 00:27:13 | >>> Republicans are enjoying the
show.
|
| 00:27:16 | I tell you that.
|
| 00:27:16 | >> Absolutely.
|
| 00:27:17 | Up next, thursday night action
in the nfl.
|
| 00:27:22 | Did peyton manning break out of
his funk?
|
| 00:27:25 | He keeps throwing the ball to
the other team.
|
| 00:27:27 | This one decided by less than a
field goal.
|
| 00:27:30 | More with pat, donny, barnicle
and joe in pensacola.
|
| 00:27:35 | We'll be right back on "morning
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| 00:31:47 | >>> A little news for you.
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| 00:31:50 | Vladimir putin accusing the
united states and western
countries of hypocrisy.
|
| 00:31:56 | In a news conference yesterday,
putin said the west had no right
to preach to russia about
democracy when wikileaks founder
julian assange was hidden in
prison.
|
| 00:32:08 | He says assange should be
awarded the nobel peace prize
for his work.
|
| 00:32:13 | >>> Meanwhile dutch police
arrested a 16-year-old boy for
carrying out hacker attacks on
mastercard and visa in a show of
support.
|
| 00:32:26 | com and paypal fended off
multiple attacks by those
hackers.
|
| 00:32:30 | >>> The traditional gold medal
will not be handed out during
this morning's peace prize
ceremony where one chair will be
symbolically left empty.
|
| 00:32:40 | This year's recipient is serving
an 11-year prison sentence in
china for advocating democracy.
|
| 00:32:48 | Chinese authorities have
tightened security on hundreds
of dissidents and blocked
several broadcasts and websites.
|
| 00:32:55 | >>> Let's turn to sports now.
|
| 00:32:57 | Nflt on a thursday night.
|
| 00:32:58 | Colts and peyton manning looking
the regroup after losing three
straight.
|
| 00:33:02 | Manning has been
uncharacteristically bad, thrown
a lot of interceptions, back to
his old self against the titans
and fines pierre garcon wide
open.
|
| 00:33:13 | Colts with up by 21 points.
|
| 00:33:16 | But the titans came back,
collins, 73 years old, finds one
open.
|
| 00:33:25 | Late in fourth.
|
| 00:33:26 | Watch this play by garcon.
|
| 00:33:27 | Makes the catch.
|
| 00:33:28 | Looks like he's down about four
times, keeps the drive alive.
|
| 00:33:33 | Wow.
|
| 00:33:34 | Stays on his feet.
|
| 00:33:35 | Runs 43 yards to set up this, a
47-yard field goal by adam vit
terry.
|
| 00:33:43 | The colts beat the titans 30-28.
|
| 00:33:46 | Indianapolis, 7-6.
|
| 00:33:48 | Tennessee now at 5-8.
|
| 00:33:50 | >>> Auburn quarterback cam
newton has a pretty good chance
to win the heisman trophy.
|
| 00:33:54 | He got some practice at his
acceptance speech at a college
football awards ceremony.
|
| 00:33:59 | He won the davy o'brien award as
the nation's top quarterback and
walked away with the maxwell
award as the best all-around
player in the country.
|
| 00:34:08 | He also spoke yesterday for the
first time since an ncaa
investigation found his father
guilty of asking for money in a
pay-to-play scheme.
|
| 00:34:17 | He was asked by espn's chris
fouler if he still trusts his
dad.
|
| 00:34:22 | >> That's one of the guys that
has my best interest.
|
| 00:34:26 | I'm not up here, sitting up here
just saying that we all are
perfect.
|
| 00:34:33 | Everybody has made mistakes.
|
| 00:34:33 | I'm not sitting up here saying
what he did was right or what he
did was wrong.
|
| 00:34:37 | At the end of the day, I can
look him in his eye, he can look
me in his eye and I know he has
his best interest.
|
| 00:34:44 | >> His dad has $200,000 of his
best interest in mind.
|
| 00:34:47 | >>> How about a little soccer.
|
| 00:34:50 | Two of the best teams in peru.
|
| 00:34:55 | Leone against universe dad.
|
| 00:34:58 | Two players fighting for the
ball and end up brawling on the
sidelines.
|
| 00:35:01 | >> That's not a brawl.
|
| 00:35:02 | That doesn't count.
|
| 00:35:04 | >> Hold on.
|
| 00:35:05 | Hold on.
|
| 00:35:06 | They're pushing.
|
| 00:35:07 | >> Overhand rights in there.
|
| 00:35:10 | >> At joey bernstein's bar
mitzvah we had a fight.
|
| 00:35:16 | >> There is pepper spray.
|
| 00:35:17 | They're pushing.
|
| 00:35:18 | >> The guys that got thrown out
left to a standing ovation, four
of them kicked out.
|
| 00:35:24 | >> I love it.
|
| 00:35:25 | Joe, that's your sport.
|
| 00:35:26 | Aren't you embarrassed that
they're calling that a brawl in
soccer?
|
| 00:35:30 | >> I'm embarrassed they call it
a brawl.
|
| 00:35:33 | I was asking barnicle, do you
think larry lacino and the boys
from the boston red sox could
use that spirit in liverpool?
|
| 00:35:42 | >> When we have fights in
liverpool, joe, we're not going
to bring it to them.
|
| 00:35:46 | We're not going to have a cat
fight like we just saw there.
|
| 00:35:49 | >> Exactly, baby.
|
| 00:35:50 | Very excited about it.
|
| 00:35:51 | Willie, soccer is not that
boring.
|
| 00:35:53 | That's exciting stuff.
|
| 00:35:54 | >> That exciting game ended like
all great soccer games in a 1-1
tie.
|
| 00:36:00 | I know this is a big passion of
yours and I'm a big sports guy.
|
| 00:36:04 | What is the excitement of that
game?
|
| 00:36:06 | >> This is a long conversation.
|
| 00:36:07 | >> I'm serious.
|
| 00:36:08 | Will you explain it to me?
|
| 00:36:10 | >> You know what, I actually
don't have to explain it to you
because people like willie
mocked soccer.
|
| 00:36:17 | I call it football.
|
| 00:36:19 | Mocked soccer for years until
they watched the united states
in the world cup in what many
people consider one of the most
sporting events in america in
years.
|
| 00:36:31 | The final score of that game,
1-0.
|
| 00:36:34 | It is an amazing game.
|
| 00:36:35 | It really is.
|
| 00:36:37 | It is the beautiful game.
|
| 00:36:41 | >> I find wednesday night the
knicks and raptors game more
exciting.
|
| 00:36:51 | That's just me.
|
| 00:36:51 | >> Sorry for the delay.
|
| 00:36:53 | Cam newton, there are going to
be a lot of embarrassed heisman
trophy winners in a year or two.
|
| 00:36:59 | There just are.
|
| 00:36:59 | >> He's been cleared.
|
| 00:37:00 | >> He's going to have to give it
back.
|
| 00:37:03 | Whatever.
|
| 00:37:03 | >> It's just his old man.
|
| 00:37:04 | He didn't know anything.
|
| 00:37:06 | You know how these things go, it
all happened so fast, like at
usc.
|
| 00:37:11 | >> And watergate.
|
| 00:37:13 | Anyway.
|
| 00:37:13 | >>> Up next, newly released
tapes of richard nixon question
hind the scenes in the white
house including the one
republican nixon never imagined
would become president.
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| 00:40:55 | >>> Welcome back to "morning
"
the white house still dark
today.
|
| 00:40:59 | The president will get a visit
from former president bill
clinton.
|
| 00:41:03 | The nixon library just releasing
265 hours of those white house
tapes, totally new material
ranging from vietnam to
watergate.
|
| 00:41:13 | One clip we'll play for you and
then bring in pat buchanan who
served under president nixon.
|
| 00:41:21 | Nixon is talking to chuck
colson, mocking the idea that
ronald reagan could one day sit
in that oval office.
|
| 00:41:29 | >> Well, anyway, reagan's going
to be a candidate.
|
| 00:41:52 | >> Pat buchanan, that was 1973.
|
| 00:41:55 | What can you tell us about that?
|
| 00:41:58 | >> My guess is it's very early
in 1973 because colson I think
left in january or february.
|
| 00:42:04 | Nixon at that point, probably
his view was the same of most in
the country.
|
| 00:42:09 | Ronald reagan was the governor
of california.
|
| 00:42:12 | Nixon divided people into
heavyweights and others.
|
| 00:42:15 | He would not have put reagan in
as a heavyweight.
|
| 00:42:18 | He would put john connolly
there,he'd put nelson
rockefeller there.
|
| 00:42:25 | Willie, nixon said about the
bush
who lost two statewide races
there.
|
| 00:42:36 | He would mott have put him into
the heavyweight category of
presidential timber of his
generation.
|
| 00:42:41 | No doubt about it.
|
| 00:42:42 | That was his view.
|
| 00:42:42 | >> Pat, I want to ask you a
question, help me out.
|
| 00:42:46 | Obviously you know the man.
|
| 00:42:48 | How would richard nixon have
fared as a politician in today's
27-7 media world?
|
| 00:42:55 | We know this was just a very
unique character.
|
| 00:42:59 | Now let's place him today, take
me through that.
|
| 00:43:02 | >> Well, I think nixon, unlike
jack kennedy, for example.
|
| 00:43:07 | Jack kennedy was given
extraordinary gifts in charisma
and looks and charm and all the
rest.
|
| 00:43:15 | Nixon worked harder in the oval
office than anybody I've ever
seen.
|
| 00:43:18 | He was the hardest working
person in politics I ever knew.
|
| 00:43:21 | Let me say in terms of depth of
intelligence and knowledge and
information, he is the most
brilliant politician I've ever
met.
|
| 00:43:28 | He's somebody from whom you can
learn.
|
| 00:43:30 | I think he would have done well
for this reason.
|
| 00:43:33 | Nixon would have worked hard.
|
| 00:43:34 | He used to tell me, pat, you're
a print journalist, television
is where it's at.
|
| 00:43:40 | He learned lessons from earlier
campaigns where a lot of
mistakes were made in 1960.
|
| 00:43:45 | We learned in '68.
|
| 00:43:47 | Then he won 49 states, and we
would have won 50 if they hadn't
messed up that one break-in.
|
| 00:43:53 | I think basically -- nixon would
have done well at any time.
|
| 00:43:58 | He knew his onions.
|
| 00:43:59 | He would have known them all the
time.
|
| 00:44:01 | He's a brilliant guy.
|
| 00:44:02 | >> Hey, you know, I love that.
|
| 00:44:04 | That one break-in.
|
| 00:44:05 | And, of course, mike barnicle, i
swear to god that play at ford's
theater was -- go ahead, pat.
|
| 00:44:14 | >> Joe, you never mention the
break-ins that were successful.
|
| 00:44:19 | That's what gets me about you.
|
| 00:44:20 | >> I was going to say, mike
barnicle, just if that one
break-in had been more
successful.
|
| 00:44:29 | That's like the play at ford's
theater, mike barnicle.
|
| 00:44:31 | But for the shot or two, it was
a pretty damn good play.
|
| 00:44:37 | >> The nixon presidency would
HAVE ROLLED ON the McChord only
got a better form of masking
tape, they wouldn't have gotten
caught.
|
| 00:44:47 | Things would have been
hunky-dory.
|
| 00:44:50 | I disagree with you pat in terms
of nixon being effective today.
|
| 00:44:53 | We have to remember, he would be
93 years of age.
|
| 00:44:56 | >> Mike, always bringing it back
home.
|
| 00:44:59 | >>> Let's do some must-read op
eds.
|
| 00:45:01 | What do you want to start with?
|
| 00:45:04 | Krugman.
|
| 00:45:05 | >> Yeah.
|
| 00:45:05 | >> "New york times" this
morning, obama's hostage deal
which paul krugman.
|
| 00:45:09 | Concerns about the tax deal
reflect realism, not purism.
|
| 00:45:12 | obama is setting up another
hostage situation a year down
the road and given that fact,
the last thing we need is the
kind of self-indulgent behavior
he showed by lashing out at
progressives who he feels aren't
giving him enough credit.
|
| 00:45:27 | The point is by seeming angry
grier at worried supporters than
he is at the hostage takers, mr.
|
| 00:45:33 | Obama is already signaling
weakness, giving republicans
every reason to believe that
they can extract another ransom.
|
| 00:45:39 | >>> We have a "new york times"
op ed page face off.
|
| 00:45:43 | David brooks on today's "new
york times" op ed page says he
needs to explain his method
better than he did in his press
conference.
|
| 00:45:53 | It is entirely consistent to
support a policy and be willing
to move off of it in exchange
for a greater good or necessary
accommodation.
|
| 00:45:59 | That's called real life.
|
| 00:46:01 | Then he's got to bring this
networking style to the larger
issue.
|
| 00:46:04 | It's easy to cut a deal that
explodes deficits.
|
| 00:46:07 | It's harder to cut one that
reduces them.
|
| 00:46:09 | There are more networks waiting
to be built to reform the tax
code, to reduce consumption and
expand productivity to reform
entitlements.
|
| 00:46:18 | David brooks, today's "new york
"
>>> donny, on the hostage
situation, that was a reflection
of what president obama referred
to the hostages in that deal.
|
| 00:46:27 | >> I guess I'm a bit outraged at
the ab seward outrage when
people make moves -- we're at a
point in this country that
there's nothing a president can
do.
|
| 00:46:38 | What he did from any economist's
point of view was the right
move, a no-brainer.
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| 00:46:44 | He was moving off his stance.
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| 00:46:46 | When wen someone is brave, we
whack them.
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| 00:46:49 | We are a whack mentality.
|
| 00:46:50 | There's nothing this man can do
that just -- we're get together
the point that it is just --
it's offensive.
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| 00:46:58 | >> Am I missing something here?
|
| 00:47:00 | This was the right move.
|
| 00:47:02 | >> Yeah, you are.
|
| 00:47:03 | The question is donny deutsch,
why didn't hemake this move two
years ago?
|
| 00:47:07 | >> Because maybe he learned.
|
| 00:47:09 | >> It's just like the democrats
who right now are ringing their
hands saying this is the worst
thing ever.
|
| 00:47:14 | How can you give tax cuts to
millionaires.
|
| 00:47:17 | They have been in power since
2006.
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| 00:47:21 | Nancy pelosi was elected speaker
in november of 2006.
|
| 00:47:25 | If they were so offended by
this.
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| 00:47:27 | They could have fixed it
beforehand.
|
| 00:47:29 | But they haven't.
|
| 00:47:30 | So why hasn't the president,
though, if tax cuts are the
answer to everything like we
republicans have been saying
since jack kemp, why did barack
obama just now find religion
after people have been out of
work for several years.
|
| 00:47:43 | >> Because you know what?
|
| 00:47:44 | He's learned.
|
| 00:47:45 | This guy took office.
|
| 00:47:46 | He had never really run anything
in his life, it's very easy to
be an ideologue and say, it
would be great if the world is
like this and power to the
people.
|
| 00:47:55 | He learned, he's in charge and
making the right move.
|
| 00:47:57 | >> Mike barnicle, how long did
it take him to learn, mike
barnicle.
|
| 00:48:01 | It's not like you didn't say
starting in march of 2009, this
guy is off track, he better
start talking about jobs.
|
| 00:48:08 | AND WHEN bob McDonald won in
2009 we kept saying jobs, jobs,
jobs, bob's for jobs.
|
| 00:48:15 | And when scott brown won in
january of 2010, we said it's
about jobs, jobs, jobs.
|
| 00:48:20 | Stop being distracted.
|
| 00:48:22 | I guess I'm stunned that he was
so tone deaf to this and kept
saying, oh, we can do more than
one thing at a time.
|
| 00:48:29 | We can fight over a very bad
health care reform bill for a
year and a half.
|
| 00:48:33 | And then just magically one day
lose some seats and go, okay,
I'm jack kemp now.
|
| 00:48:41 | Let's cut taxes on everything.
|
| 00:48:42 | >> Joe, he was glorified and dee
phied in his campaign largely by
the media.
|
| 00:48:49 | We have to plead guilty to that.
|
| 00:48:51 | We'll have ed rendell on here in
a couple minutes.
|
| 00:48:54 | Barack obama has never been an
executive, never run anything,
never managed anything.
|
| 00:49:00 | I think what happened is as his
presidency progressed he looked
at his allies, harry reid in the
senate, nancy pelosi in the
house, terrific people and said,
if these are my allies, I got to
do something here.
|
| 00:49:12 | I have to get this train back on
the tracks.
|
| 00:49:14 | He's trying to do that now.
|
| 00:49:16 | >> And I've got to say, if you
listen to what you guys are
saying, it sounds like the winds
of change are blowing across the
"morning joe" set.
|
| 00:49:27 | And donny said it.
|
| 00:49:28 | I think mike has said it and pat
has said it.
|
| 00:49:32 | Have you guys all agreed that
barack obama in your opinion,
not mine, but in your opinion
that barack obama has learned
from his mistakes and he's
starting to act like a
president?
|
| 00:49:41 | >> Yeah.
|
| 00:49:42 | >> Yeah, I think so.
|
| 00:49:45 | >> Wow.
|
| 00:49:45 | That's good news for the white
house I think.
|
| 00:49:47 | >>> Up next, sarah palin finally
answers the question what
newspapers does she read?
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| 00:49:53 | She gets another crack at it
with barbara walters when we
come back.
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| 00:53:42 | Is it time?
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| 00:53:42 | >> That's a fake mika.
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| 00:53:46 | You got everyone excited.
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| 00:53:56 | That is so wrong.
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| 00:53:58 | That was like a turret's moment.
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| 00:54:02 | >> Dirty thing.
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| 00:54:03 | >> It wasn't dirty.
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| 00:54:05 | It was the opposite.
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| 00:54:05 | >> We'll right the shiphere.
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| 00:54:07 | I don't have to remind you that
the question of the 2008
presidential campaign came from
katie couric when she asked
sarah palin what did she read.
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| 00:54:15 | The answer was not so good for
palin.
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| 00:54:18 | She got another crack at it last
night when barbara walters posed
it as part of her most
fascinating people of 2010 show.
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| 00:54:27 | >> Well, let me try this.
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| 00:54:29 | Would you like to tell us what
newspapers, magazines or books
you are reading right now.
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| 00:54:37 | >> I'm reading dean carzo's book
of being an ultimate marathoner.
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devise intervention.
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| 00:54:50 | I read "wall street journal,"
all of our local papers in
alaska because that's where my
heart is.
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| 00:54:57 | Why would it be that there's
that perception that I don't
read?
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| 00:55:01 | >> Pat buchanan are you and the
rest of the laechl stream media
finally satisfied with that
answer?
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| 00:55:08 | >> Where does this perception
come from, willie?
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| 00:55:10 | I think the answer was just
fine.
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| 00:55:13 | Get off her case, ladies.
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| 00:59:08 | >>> If one side takes out what
they don't like and the other
side takes out what they don't
like, we're going to have --
that.
|
| 00:59:19 | And that is, a blank piece of
paper, is not going to prevent
middle class tax rates from
going up.
|
| 00:59:25 | >> We were told yesterday by the
vice president this was a take
it or leave it deal.
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| 00:59:32 | We're saying leave it.
|
| 00:59:33 | >> Welcome back to "morning
"
7:00 on a friday morning.
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| 00:59:35 | We're here in new york city.
|
| 00:59:38 | Donny deutsch and mike barnicle
still with us.
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| 00:59:40 | Pat buchanan down in washington.
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| 00:59:42 | Joe in pensacola.
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| 00:59:43 | Joining us now, pennsylvania
governor ed rendell.
|
| 00:59:46 | Governor, great to see you.
|
| 00:59:47 | >> Good morning, willie.
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| 00:59:48 | Good morning guys.
|
| 00:59:49 | >> The table just keeps getting
better.
|
| 00:59:54 | >> President of the united
states has invited bill clinton
to the white house today
presumably to talk a little
strategy going forward.
|
| 01:00:00 | What would you advise president
obama at this moment?
|
| 01:00:02 | >> Well, again, I think he did
the right thing.
|
| 01:00:05 | I've said that all week long.
|
| 01:00:07 | It's amazing to me the naivete
of some people who have no
understanding how government
works.
|
| 01:00:14 | I heard mike say that and
lawrence o'donnell said it the
night before.
|
| 01:00:19 | And it's true.
|
| 01:00:21 | We should play the rolling
stones song all the time down at
the capitol "you can't always
"
and that's the truth.
|
| 01:00:30 | The bill they passed sucks,
there's no question about it.
|
| 01:00:33 | It's unfair that the rich people
in this country, people who make
more than a million dollars are
getting a tax break.
|
| 01:00:38 | It doesn't do anything for job
creation.
|
| 01:00:40 | Bill clinton raised taxes on the
top 2% in 1993 and we had the
best economy we've had in any of
our lifetimes.
|
| 01:00:49 | So their thesis falls.
|
| 01:00:50 | It's a bunch of bull.
|
| 01:00:51 | Having said that, we needed
desperately to extend
unemployment benefits.
|
| 01:00:55 | We needed to extend the middle
class tax cuts.
|
| 01:01:00 | We needed the expensing for
small businesses.
|
| 01:01:02 | That's a crucial part of this
that people are overlooking.
|
| 01:01:05 | We needed all of those things to
take care of the economy, to
take care of people who are
hurting.
|
| 01:01:13 | Those are the best choices he
can make.
|
| 01:01:14 | >> Come on, governor.
|
| 01:01:16 | Joe scarborough here.
|
| 01:01:17 | >> For the first time you were
against taxes yesterday.
|
| 01:01:21 | I was inspired.
|
| 01:01:22 | >> No, no.
|
| 01:01:24 | Listen, governor I'm like john
madden here.
|
| 01:01:26 | I may have coached for the
oakland raiders.
|
| 01:01:28 | If I'm supposed to analyze
what's going on in the field and
the tore team keeps handing the
ball to the oakland raiders, I'm
going to say that's not good
football.
|
| 01:01:37 | Do not tell me -- hold on a
second.
|
| 01:01:40 | Do not tell me that you would
have rolled over this quickly
and not made republicans defend
cutting off unemployment
benefits at christmas time in
return forgetting tax cuts for
millionaires.
|
| 01:01:55 | Don't tell me you wouldn't have
fought harder.
|
| 01:01:59 | I know you too well.
|
| 01:02:01 | You would have.
|
| 01:02:02 | >> It wouldn't have had a
different result.
|
| 01:02:03 | People will forgetting
something.
|
| 01:02:05 | Schumer amendment goes down 52
votes, seven short of what it
needs.
|
| 01:02:10 | We didn't even hold the
democrats.
|
| 01:02:12 | We didn't hold russ feingold for
god's sake.
|
| 01:02:16 | There's no chance.
|
| 01:02:16 | >> Joe, why are you faulting him
for fight ag fight to the
governor's point that at best we
would have ended up where we
ended up.
|
| 01:02:24 | How about he got it done?
|
| 01:02:26 | >> Joe, we fought that fight
right before the election.
|
| 01:02:29 | I was there with the president
and we hammered and hammered and
hammered and we lost.
|
| 01:02:33 | >> No, no, no.
|
| 01:02:34 | You did not lose the fight.
|
| 01:02:35 | This is one of the most shocking
mis dlooe reads of where middle
america is right now.
|
| 01:02:43 | A cbs news poll shows 65% of
americans -- stay with me --
oppose giving tax cuts to people
who make $250,000 and above.
|
| 01:02:54 | A cnbc ap poll showed the same
thing.
|
| 01:03:00 | If you asked americans what do
you think about giving tax cuts
to people who make a million
dollars or more, that number
would have skyrocketed up into
THE 80s.
|
| 01:03:10 | Trust me.
|
| 01:03:11 | Listen, the bottom line here is
the president actually had --
was in a much stronger place
than he thought he was in.
|
| 01:03:18 | And he should have fought the
republicans longer.
|
| 01:03:23 | Listen, I love tax cuts.
|
| 01:03:25 | I'm saying politically looking
at how he played it, I think he
gave up too quickly.
|
| 01:03:30 | He should have fought them
longer.
|
| 01:03:32 | >> Look, I'm not saying that we
shouldn't have continued the
fight.
|
| 01:03:36 | But the end result, as donny
said, would have been the exact
same thing.
|
| 01:03:39 | That's the wrong question to ask
in the poll.
|
| 01:03:42 | The right question to ask is,
would you give up your tax cut,
you earn $180,000, would you
give up your tax cut to make
sure that millionaires don't get
theirs.
|
| 01:03:54 | I guarantee, if you ask the poll
that way, the answer is 5%.
|
| 01:03:57 | People like me, people like
warren buffett, people like you,
joe, exactly like you.
|
| 01:04:02 | >> It's the whole puzzle.
|
| 01:04:04 | >> Just like me.
|
| 01:04:07 | I love this.
|
| 01:04:07 | All these rich and powerful
democrats pointing to poor
working class republicans trying
to paint them as being rich.
|
| 01:04:13 | It makes me sad.
|
| 01:04:16 | I'm a ted turner, I might not be
able to afford a wooden coffin.
|
| 01:04:21 | >> You're the guy who said we
shouldn't tax people who make
250 because they're not rich in
today's economy.
|
| 01:04:29 | Now you're going back on this.
|
| 01:04:31 | >> This is 24 months.
|
| 01:04:32 | This is not forever.
|
| 01:04:33 | >> Listen.
|
| 01:04:34 | I've got to clear this up again
because governor, if you
misunderstand what's going on
here, it concerns me a great
deal.
|
| 01:04:42 | You've got to separate what i
believe ideologically from what
I am talking about as a
political analyst.
|
| 01:04:49 | I believe tax cuts revive the
economy.
|
| 01:04:53 | I've been saying this all week.
|
| 01:04:53 | But forget what I believe
personally.
|
| 01:04:55 | I'm talking here about the
president of the united states
getting the best deal he can get
and just like I said over the
past two years, he was too far
left and I predicted for two
years he was going to lose the
house of representatives because
he was way too liberal for
middle america.
|
| 01:05:12 | I can tell you now he has gone
far right of where middle
america is on tax cuts.
|
| 01:05:18 | I know that, and I know he could
have won this battle if he had
fought it.
|
| 01:05:22 | He chose not to.
|
| 01:05:24 | I tell you what, small
government conservatives like
myself would love it but for the
fact he's also putting us
another trillion dollars in
debt.
|
| 01:05:34 | >> Joe, that's not correct
either.
|
| 01:05:36 | On the tax cuts for the rich,
it's a trillion if it goes for
ten years.
|
| 01:05:40 | Donny made the point it goes for
two years.
|
| 01:05:43 | >> Governor, I'm talking about
the whole package.
|
| 01:05:46 | The whole package has been
scored out.
|
| 01:05:48 | >> Now y
disingenuous, you like the
payroll tax cut.
|
| 01:05:53 | Even the guy who makes $50,000,
$1,000 back.
|
| 01:05:57 | That's stimmive.
|
| 01:05:58 | I don't think giving
millionaires a tax cut is
stimmive.
|
| 01:06:02 | >> Hold on.
|
| 01:06:03 | Governor, I want to say -- i
like all of these things, but i
want to pay for them all.
|
| 01:06:08 | I like the payroll tax cuts.
|
| 01:06:10 | I like the other tax cuts.
|
| 01:06:11 | I like extending unemployment
benefits because for every
dollar that you pay in
unemployment benefits, a bush
coission study shows it
generates two in the economy.
|
| 01:06:22 | I like them all.
|
| 01:06:24 | Donny deutsch, we've got to
start paying for these things.
|
| 01:06:27 | >> We've got to start.
|
| 01:06:28 | But is there an argument in that
we are in this divisive country
right now that, if in order to
get the tax cuts, the payroll,
the social rity, to keep the
unemployment benefits going, and
to maybe stop some of the
divisiveness, I'm going to reach
a little farther across the
aisle for the next 24 months,
we'll keep the million dollar
plus guys and I'll reign that
in.
|
| 01:06:50 | I could give you an argument for
the overall well-being of the
country.
|
| 01:06:53 | Yes, it's costing me $180
billion.
|
| 01:06:57 | That's not a bad move.
|
| 01:06:59 | That's a smart move, leadership
move.
|
| 01:07:01 | Philosophically I understand.
|
| 01:07:02 | But when you put all the pieces
together -- I believe personally
as a guy who does make a lot of
money, you you should tax more.
|
| 01:07:11 | When I take all the pieces
together, I go, good move, mr.
|
| 01:07:15 | President.
|
| 01:07:16 | >> There is no doubt politically
that this was a very good move
for the president to make.
|
| 01:07:21 | Now, he has shattered his base.
|
| 01:07:23 | >> Who cares?
|
| 01:07:23 | Where is the base going?
|
| 01:07:27 | Where is the base going?
|
| 01:07:29 | >> Pat buchanan, what have i
been saying and what have you
been saying and what have we all
been saying over the past two
years, this president ran as a
centrist, he got disconnected
from independents.
|
| 01:07:40 | It's going to kill him.
|
| 01:07:44 | This recon nektsz him instantly
with a lot of independents, even
though they disagree with some
of these tax cuts.
|
| 01:07:50 | So politically it's good move.
|
| 01:07:52 | But economically, pat, we cannot
afford another trillion dollars
of debt.
|
| 01:07:59 | >> It is an enormous risk that
the country is taking and the
president is taking and the
republicans are taking.
|
| 01:08:06 | One thing I do agree with
governor rendell, I think barack
obama was in a position where he
had -- the clock is running out.
|
| 01:08:12 | If he had gone to the wall and
fought the republicans who are
united on this philosophically,
politically, he would have lost,
he would have lost unemployment
insurance, the middle class tax
cut, the dream act, don't ask
don't tell.
|
| 01:08:26 | Everything he would have lost.
|
| 01:08:28 | And the republicans would have
come back in january and said
here is all the tax cuts and now
we'll take care of unemployment
and we'll pay for it.
|
| 01:08:35 | I think barack obama realized
that his hand -- that game was
lost, the republicans beat it
twice in the senate.
|
| 01:08:42 | They said we will not pass a
bill that doesn't extend all the
tax cuts.
|
| 01:08:48 | That's the hand barack obama was
dealing with on december 1.
|
| 01:08:51 | As of december 1, I think he
played it brilliantly.
|
| 01:08:54 | I think he got the best out of
it, he could get out of it more
than I thought he could.
|
| 01:08:58 | I agree with you in the last
analysis, man, this is one
trillion dollars on the deficit
and debt.
|
| 01:09:03 | And the bond market is saying,
you guys are taking too many
risks.
|
| 01:09:09 | >> There might be another issue
here that we haven't discussed,
and it is that over the course
of the last, who knows, four,
ten years, the democrats have
dropped their duty, and they've
dropped their duty because of
the poll that you mentioned,
joe, the question, do you favor
reenacting taxes on people who
make more than $250,000 a year
or a million dollars a year, the
numbers are 62%, 65% are in
favor of that.
|
| 01:09:36 | That's been like that since time
in memorial.
|
| 01:09:40 | The democrats have held power
since 2006 in the house and the
senate.
|
| 01:09:44 | They've had a president of the
united states, their own
president since 2008.
|
| 01:09:48 | If they went on
repealing the tax breaks for
millionaires, they had ample
opportunity to do it and never
did it.
|
| 01:10:00 | My view is the people in
washington today run as
individuals.
|
| 01:10:03 | That don't run for the country.
|
| 01:10:04 | They run for their own specific
parochial interests to get
re-elected.
|
| 01:10:09 | They no longer know how to make
a deal.
|
| 01:10:12 | >> Governor, why did the
democrats not strike for a
better deal when you had people
like john boehner and the
chairman of -- incoming chairman
of the ways and means for
republicans saying, you know
what?
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| 01:10:25 | If my only chance is extending
tax cuts up to $250,000, I'll
take it?
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| 01:10:29 | I'll do it?
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| 01:10:30 | >> That's when we should have
done it.
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| 01:10:32 | Mike is exactly right.
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| 01:10:33 | We should have done it and
framed it and forced a vote
before the election when it
could have counted, when we
could have made something out of
it, when we could have drawn the
distinction between the two
parties, the distinction I think
is central to everything that i
believe in in politics.
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| 01:10:47 | I think pat is right, because he
agreed with me, so obviously
he's right.
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| 01:10:51 | I think pat is right, and what
the president has got to do now
is three things.
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| 01:10:58 | In his state of the union he has
to lay out a real plan for
deficit reduction, a real
serious plan.
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| 01:11:03 | Secondly he's got to forge a
good education bill and a lot of
what secretary duncan believes
is good news for republicans, we
can do a good education bill.
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| 01:11:12 | Thirdly, he can't do cap and
trade, but we could do a good
energy bill that promotes
alternatives, natural gas and
start kicking the butts of the
people who try to destroy us and
at the same time sell us oil.
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| 01:11:27 | If the president does all three
of those things on top of what
he does here, he looks like a
leader.
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| 01:11:31 | People vote for president,
governor and mayor, not on
ideology, is he a leader?
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| 01:11:37 | >> Is it calculated that clinton
is going to the white house
today as he tries to morph into
bill clinton which is the
winning democratic formula on
the eve of this, is it a
coincidence, joe, let me be the
media cynic that I am, that
clinton and him are together
today?
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| 01:11:54 | >> We've been saying it for some
time.
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| 01:11:57 | This is something barack obama
should have done two years ago.
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| 01:12:00 | Before barack obama got sworn
in, he should have said, okay,
let's see now, this guy was
elected in 1992 talking about
hope and change.
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| 01:12:08 | He was seen as a new kind of
democrat.
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| 01:12:10 | He was going to be a centrist,
he was going to bring us
together.
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| 01:12:15 | It didn't go well.
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| 01:12:18 | He should have brought barack
obama in -- should have brought
bill clinton in two years ago.
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| 01:12:23 | I think it's a brilliant idea.
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| 01:12:27 | If he continues to reach out, he
should have people like bill
clinton and colin powell and
jamie diamond beating a path to
the white house every day.
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| 01:12:38 | >> He probably wasn't competent
enough to have clinton there a
year ago.
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| 01:12:45 | >> He wasn't competent enough --
I know people get upset at me.
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| 01:12:49 | It's the reality.
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| 01:12:51 | He was not confident enough in
himself to have bill clinton
there six months ago or to call
jamie diamond.
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| 01:12:56 | He's doing it now.
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| 01:12:57 | And I think it's not only good
for him.
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| 01:12:59 | It's good for america.
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| 01:13:02 | >> To joe's point, doesn't it
help you, mayor of philadelphia,
governor of pennsylvania, you've
dealt with city council, state
legislatures, if you didn't know
how to deal with them, you would
be back putting cheese whiz on
sandwiches.
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| 01:13:17 | >> Every piece of legislation i
got through in pennsylvania i
had to compromise, I had to do
things that I thought were
wrong.
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| 01:13:23 | >> This is what the country
wants, people to reach across.
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| 01:13:26 | When the guy finally does it,
people go crazy.
|
| 01:13:32 | >> The president at the press
conference the other day said
stop being sanctimonious, stop
being ideologically pure about
these things, live in the real
world.
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| 01:13:44 | That made them more angry.
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| 01:13:45 | >> Wrong tone.
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| 01:13:46 | They're your friends.
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| 01:13:47 | You can correct them.
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| 01:13:48 | Don't beat up on them.
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| 01:13:49 | What I would have done -- every
time I say that the white house
just gets pissed at me.
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| 01:13:56 | I would have said, I feel your
pain.
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| 01:13:59 | >> Didn't somebody say this once
before.
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| 01:14:01 | >> I hate this stuff.
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| 01:14:02 | I hate this stuff.
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| 01:14:03 | We fought before the election.
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| 01:14:04 | We didn't win.
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| 01:14:05 | This is the best deal we can
make for the american people.
|
| 01:14:08 | Guys, it's not about politics,
not about posturing, it's trying
to make this country work.
|
| 01:14:15 | If you haven't noticed, the
country is going to hell in hand
basket.
|
| 01:14:20 | Unless we get together and start
doing things together we're
cooked.
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| 01:14:23 | We're all going to be working
for the chinese.
|
| 01:14:26 | >> It's not just left wing
bloggers, it's nancy pelosi,
people in the democratic caucus
on capitol hill who are as angry
as cable news hosts.
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| 01:14:38 | >> The house did, but we should
have forced the bill for a vote
and that should have been the
central them.
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| 01:14:42 | The dnc should have run ads, the
republican party supports tax
breaks for millionaire, they
don't support unemployment comp.
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| 01:14:51 | >> There you go.
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| 01:14:52 | There you go.
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| 01:14:53 | If you wanted to ask what bill
clinton would be doing right
now, that is what he would be
doing.
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| 01:14:59 | He would running those ads in
swing districts across america
saying republicans want to cut
off unemployment benefits at
christmas time to families that
are struggling, and they're
going to give tax cuts to
millionaires.
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| 01:15:14 | Willie, I have to clean one
thing up here.
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| 01:15:16 | Bill burton, whenever I get
something from the white
house -- all it says is joe with
an explanation point afterwards,
I know I've got to read it.
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| 01:15:25 | Joe, did you just say that the
president supports tax cuts for
the wealthy for stimulating the
economy?
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| 01:15:32 | Crazy, man.
|
| 01:15:33 | In statement after statement the
president and members of the
administration have continuously
said we do not believe this is
the best way to stimulate the
economy.
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| 01:15:40 | It was part of the compromise in
which we got many things that we
wanted which economists do agree
stimulate the economy.
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| 01:15:46 | And republicans were able to
keep tax cuts in place for the
wealthiest americans.
|
| 01:15:52 | To say the president has changed
his mind on this is not
accurate.
|
| 01:15:58 | >> Ed rendell, your e-mail is
about to blow up, too, from the
white house.
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| 01:16:03 | Keep an eye out.
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| 01:16:04 | >> I've got to say, donny, i
don't think they made a smart
deal.
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| 01:16:08 | We can keep debating that.
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| 01:16:09 | I think they could have gotten a
better deal.
|
| 01:16:12 | Listen, all you guys up there
think that this president has
grown over the past week or so.
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| 01:16:16 | So I've got to believe a lot of
other americans are going to
believe that, too.
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| 01:16:21 | >>> Up next, a preview of "meet
the press" with david gregory,
also savannah guthrie live from
the white house.
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| 01:16:28 | >>> The soon-to-be senator pat
toomey joins us.
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| 01:16:36 | You're watching "morning joe"
brewed by starbucks.
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| 01:19:42 | >>> Welcome back to "morning
"
we have a pennsylvania party.
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| 01:19:46 | With us republican senator elect
pat toomey.
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| 01:19:50 | Good to see you.
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| 01:19:50 | >> Thanks for having me back.
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| 01:19:51 | >> Congratulations.
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| 01:19:52 | We haven't seen you since your
victory.
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| 01:19:54 | You were saying kind words, i
don't know if you wanted me to
admit it on the air.
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| 01:19:59 | >> I called pat the next
morning.
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| 01:20:01 | Pat said on election night, i
thought the best speech from
anybody I heard on election
night.
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| 01:20:06 | He said, look, I'm grateful for
my supporters.
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| 01:20:09 | But I'm not just going to
represent the people who voted
for me, but all pennsylvanians.
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| 01:20:17 | >> Along those lines, you came
in on a wave of anti obama,
kudos.
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| 01:20:23 | One of the new republicans
coming in, anti obama
republican, you've got to now
say loving this guy.
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| 01:20:30 | >> Not that le's putting words
in your mouth.
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| 01:20:36 | >> This whole discussion, i
disagree with a lot of it.
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| 01:20:39 | First of all, I don't think the
president got such a bad deal.
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| 01:20:41 | >> I agree.
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| 01:20:42 | >> I think all week long joe has
been driving me crazy, joe
scarborough.
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| 01:20:47 | Let's look at what happened
here.
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| 01:20:48 | The current tax rates have been
the law of the land for seven to
nine years.
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| 01:20:52 | And all he did was agree to
extend them for two more.
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| 01:20:56 | >> Exactly.
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| 01:20:57 | >> This is not radical.
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| 01:20:58 | This is not this massive shift.
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| 01:20:59 | It's not what he wanted to do.
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| 01:21:02 | Frankly, I campaign -- the other
thing, the idea that the
president should run a campaign
about tax cuts for the lich.
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| 01:21:08 | What does anybody think just
happened this fall?
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| 01:21:12 | I just spent the last six months
having $25 million spent
attacking me for wanting tax
cuts for the rich.
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| 01:21:25 | I don't like this package.
|
| 01:21:25 | There's a lot in the package i
have a lot of heartburn over.
|
| 01:21:28 | I have to say I don't think the
president did so badly.
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| 01:21:31 | >> Joe?
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| 01:21:31 | >> I'll tell you what, willie
geist this is like the climactic
scene in ghost busters, dogs and
cats living together.
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| 01:21:40 | This is amazing.
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| 01:21:43 | I need to sort through this
because now we've got barack
obama acting like a jack kemp
republican and pat toomey just
got elected and he's sounding
like a barack obama republican.
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| 01:21:57 | It's fascinateding.
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| 01:21:58 | >> Let's all hug.
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| 01:21:59 | >> Never been accused of that.
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| 01:22:00 | But go ahead.
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| 01:22:02 | >> Pat toomey, buddy, I know
you, I worked with you.
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| 01:22:10 | Do you have any heartburn at all
over the fact that this bill is
going to add nearly a trillion
dollars to america's debt?
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| 01:22:16 | >> I have a lot of heartburn
about that, joe.
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| 01:22:18 | Here is what I've said all along
and still believe, we should
make the current tax rates
permanent for everybody, not
decide we're going to inflict a
big tax increase on a certain
segment of our population.
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| 01:22:30 | And frankly, keeping the current
tax rates in place including the
top rate are very important for
strong economic growth.
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| 01:22:36 | We should extend unemployment
benefits but offset the cost.
|
| 01:22:40 | That's new spending.
|
| 01:22:41 | That's what I think we should
have done and be done with it.
|
| 01:22:43 | I'm not sure we could have
gotten that deal.
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| 01:22:46 | That's not the deal that the
president wanted either.
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| 01:22:48 | So there's a lot of things in
here that I'm not too excited
about.
|
| 01:22:52 | >> Pat, you do understand by
extending -- I guess I need to
start calling you senator.
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| 01:22:57 | Senator, and I'm salute while i
do it.
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| 01:23:02 | You do realize by making these
bush tax cuts permanent you've
just added $4 trillion more to
the national debt.
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| 01:23:09 | You and I are small government
conservatives, and we believe
tax cuts stimulate the economy.
|
| 01:23:15 | Hold on a second.
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| 01:23:17 | That's $4 trillion of revenue
not coming into the federal
government.
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| 01:23:20 | And it's not deficit neutral.
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| 01:23:24 | You've got to make up for that
somewhere.
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| 01:23:26 | >> Compared to what?
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| 01:23:28 | For seven to nine years these
have been the rates that have
prevailed in this country.
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| 01:23:32 | You pick some arbitrary level
they could be raised to and say,
well, the difference is this new
deficit level.
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| 01:23:37 | I just think that's wrong.
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| 01:23:38 | Here is something we ought to
keep in mind.
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| 01:23:42 | >> Hold it a second, pat.
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| 01:23:44 | The law was that these were
going to be sunsetted on
DECEMBER 31st, 2010.
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| 01:23:53 | You may not understand that pat
because you're asking me
compared to what.
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| 01:23:58 | Compared to what would have
happened if washington had not
acted proactively to change the
law and extend them out four
years.
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| 01:24:07 | We're comparing it to current
law.
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| 01:24:08 | >> Here is the thing that's been
completely lost in that
conversation, that is the fact
that under these tax rates, the
very tax rates we have now that
the president has agreed to
extend for two more years we had
budget deaf silts as low as less
than 2% of gdp.
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| 01:24:22 | We had several years where
5%
of gdp.
|
| 01:24:28 | Obviously the problem that we
have with the deficit is not
because of the dax rates.
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| 01:24:33 | We've demonstrated with these
rates we can have a small,
modest deficit.
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| 01:24:37 | The problem is the spending
that's been going on.
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| 01:24:39 | That's what we should be
focusing on now.
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| 01:24:42 | >> I want to make sure that i
have your position right here,
pat.
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| 01:24:46 | Tax cuts do not cause the
deficit to go up at all.
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| 01:24:51 | All tax cuts are revenue
neutral.
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| 01:24:53 | >> The point is under these tax
rates made permanent.
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| 01:24:56 | We'd have a stronger economic
growth.
|
| 01:24:59 | If whoa got the spending levels
down to where we had them a few
years ago relative to gdp, we
could have a virtually balanced
budget.
|
| 01:25:07 | >> Joe, pat in all deference is
ignoring the fact.
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| 01:25:12 | All we're doing now, if we roll
the tax rates back and I think
we should for everybody to
clinton tax structure.
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| 01:25:20 | We had the best period of
economic growth in the history
of our lifetimes with these tax
rates, the best period of
economic growth.
|
| 01:25:28 | >> I tell you one thing I liked
that's happening around this
table as a metaphor, very, very
interesting.
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| 01:25:34 | I'm meeting the senator for the
first time.
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| 01:25:36 | We know what obama did.
|
| 01:25:38 | Senator, you came on and kind of
reached across in your own way
and said I think he made a good
deal rnlgs I would have liked it
this way.
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| 01:25:44 | There's a dialogue.
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| 01:25:45 | >> Yeah, there is.
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| 01:25:46 | >> In a very, very small way.
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| 01:25:48 | We can say this and that.
|
| 01:25:50 | But meeting this new senator for
the first time, a poster boy for
what's coming in, what was the
enemy to obama.
|
| 01:25:56 | Obama makes a move, this
gentleman comes in and goes, you
know what -- I like that.
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| 01:26:01 | >> Hold on a second, donny.
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| 01:26:03 | Hold on.
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| 01:26:04 | Donny, despite the fact that pat
toomey has come on and attacked
me personally and said horrible,
horrible things about me, I have
to defend pat toomey.
|
| 01:26:15 | Pat toomey is one -- has been
and it's why and I said
throughout the campaign, why I'm
so excited about the possibility
of being senator, pat toomey
puts his principles above his
party every time.
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| 01:26:29 | He was one of the few
republicans while george bush
was president in the house of
representatives that didn't lose
his head and didn't start acting
like a big spending republican.
|
| 01:26:39 | Even though he's been terribly,
theirbly hurtful to me this
morning, point of personal
order, I want to defend him.
|
| 01:26:47 | Willie, let's bring in david
gregory.
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| 01:26:49 | >>> With us from washington the
moderator of "meet the press,"
david gregory and nbc
news white house correspondent
and co-host of "the daily
rundown," savannah guthrie,
david, we know this will be
topic a on "meet the press" this
week.
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| 01:27:06 | How does the president fair when
this all shakes out despite the
criticism he's taken from the
left?
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| 01:27:11 | >> I think there's a couple of
big points.
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| 01:27:13 | What the president face ss a
left that's disappointed, middle
is disaffected and the right is
resurging.
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| 01:27:21 | If the unemployment number
doesn't come down, if the
economy is not in a different
footing, in a different heading
as we get into the spring of
2012, this president could be a
one-term president.
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| 01:27:31 | When his economic advisors come
in and say I know how you
campaign and in the book you
wrote that the tax cuts for the
rich were immoral, bottom line
is if the uncertainty continues,
you could lose a million more
jobs.
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| 01:27:45 | That's the ball game.
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| 01:27:46 | Not going to happen.
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| 01:27:47 | He's going to make this deal.
|
| 01:27:49 | He in the process is also going
to try to do as much as he can
to deal with that disaffected
middle through this, through the
prospect that he's raising about
changing the tax code and about
somehow trying to deal with the
deficit.
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| 01:28:01 | The big challenge, of course, is
that as joe and the senator
elect have been talking about,
there is now, right after he
announces the findings of the
debt commission, new deficit
spending that's going to go on.
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| 01:28:14 | It is a back door stimulus which
is something I think the
administration didn't think they
could get a few months ago.
|
| 01:28:20 | Nevertheless, he's got a dealt
problem and he has to face the
prospect in a couple of years
that it's not just the upper
earnings getting a tax cut.
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| 01:28:28 | But all of americans, including
the middle class will get a tax
cut, that the country doesn't
appear to be able to afford.
|
| 01:28:34 | >> Savannah, it's donny.
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| 01:28:37 | Why does he even care if he
starts to lose the base, whether
if it's what's good for the
country or his own re-election.
|
| 01:28:44 | Where are they going?
|
| 01:28:45 | Are they going to vote for rand
paul?
|
| 01:28:48 | >> Two concerns there.
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| 01:28:49 | Number one, does that mean
you'll get a primary challenger
from the left?
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| 01:28:54 | I don't think anybody thinks
that can happen.
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| 01:28:56 | Let's say it did.
|
| 01:28:57 | Let's say the base becomes so
disaffected.
|
| 01:28:59 | >> It's not going to happen.
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| 01:29:00 | >> Probably not going to happen.
|
| 01:29:02 | You asked me why does it matter.
|
| 01:29:04 | That's one reason.
|
| 01:29:04 | Even though obviously president
obama would likely prevail in
that primary, history tells you
when you have a primary
challenger, it so batters the
incumbent, they often go on to
lose.
|
| 01:29:16 | Ask jimmy carter or george h.w.
|
| 01:29:18 | Bush about that phenomenon.
|
| 01:29:20 | That's one reason.
|
| 01:29:22 | Secondly, it's about
fund-raising, it's about energy.
|
| 01:29:25 | You've got to get your base out
and go for the center and get
the swing voters.
|
| 01:29:30 | Clearly the white house knows --
they know they've got a problem
with independents.
|
| 01:29:35 | That's the most disturbing trend
they face.
|
| 01:29:36 | I should mention thement is
going to sit down with former
president bill clinton today in
the oval office and pick his
brain.
|
| 01:29:42 | He called clinton a couple days
after the midterms to thank him
for all the campaigning he did.
|
| 01:29:47 | This is part of what the
president is trying to do more
of is just reach out to folks
like a tom daschle and former
president clinton today to try
to get some advice and get their
thoughts on how to proceed from
here.
|
| 01:30:00 | >> Pat buchanan, that's the
point you've been making all
morning, calling it a brilliant
political move by president.
|
| 01:30:08 | Give the heisman to the left for
the time being and capture some
of the middle.
|
| 01:30:12 | >> I do agree with governor
rendell on one point.
|
| 01:30:14 | I think the president got a
terrific deal out of something
that was really something you
didn't expect.
|
| 01:30:19 | But at the same time, I don't
think he should have publicly
backhanded the folks in his base
the way he did, even though he
was exasperated.
|
| 01:30:27 | Reagan never did that to the
right even though he was often
exasperated with the right.
|
| 01:30:32 | >> David gregory, I want to ask
"
a fascinating guest in new york
city mayor michael bloomberg.
|
| 01:30:38 | Boy, he's been out this week,
made that very strong speech in
brooklyn where he sounded to a
lot of people like a president
candidate.
|
| 01:30:46 | >> Well, that's right.
|
| 01:30:47 | I think there's a lot of buzz
around mayor bloom berpg and
berg.
|
| 01:30:54 | We'll also have secretary
geithner to discuss the tax deal
and the debt and tax reform
among other topics.
|
| 01:31:00 | I think mayor bloomberg
certainly wants to be a big part
of this conversation.
|
| 01:31:04 | He talked about the politics
being broken.
|
| 01:31:06 | He says, frankly, a lot of
things that president obama
campaigned on back in 2008 about
where the system is breaking
down.
|
| 01:31:15 | I do think there is, as I say, a
disaffected middle of the
country, of the electorate that
we saw in the midterm race are
willing to move in huge numbers
from 2008 to 2010.
|
| 01:31:26 | I think they are receptive to
the kind of message that mayor
bloomberg has.
|
| 01:31:31 | I think down more tactically and
technically, you'll see mayor
bloomberg take a close look at
this.
|
| 01:31:44 | >> Governor rendell, is this
more of a parlor game or do you
think mike bloomberg is thinking
about running?
|
| 01:31:50 | >> I think he realizes howdy it
is.
|
| 01:31:53 | I think because of some of the
social positions he's taken, i
think he would be in trouble.
|
| 01:31:57 | >> Savannah, I'm hearing
something about the 2010 chavana
awards?
|
| 01:32:04 | >> Very excited to unveil the
very first award.
|
| 01:32:06 | Next week on "the daily
rundown," your third favorite
cable show, willie, we'll do
best president moment, best
candidate, best campaign.
|
| 01:32:18 | It's the thing the president
hates about washington, who is
up, who is down all week on "the
"
>> a good selling point, the
thing everyone hates about
washington.
|
| 01:32:30 | We'll see you a little while on
"the daily rundown" after
"
>>> david, we'll see you on
"
can't wait to see the interview.
|
| 01:32:38 | Senator toomey, we appreciate
it.
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| 01:32:40 | >> Thanks for having me.
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| 01:32:40 | >>> So much for royal treatment.
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| 01:32:42 | And angry mob of students attack
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| 01:36:57 | >>> It is the photograph on the
front pages of newspapers around
the world this morning, a car
carrying prince charles and his
wife camila attacked by an angry
crowd of students who were
protesting tuition fees.
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| 01:37:09 | Nbc's peter alexander has more.
|
| 01:37:14 | >> Reporter: It was hardly the
royal treatment, students
demonstrators pounded the side
of the rolls royce with fists
and bottles, shattering a side
window, pelting it with paint.
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| 01:37:24 | Even shouting "off with their
"
chaos captured on cell phone
videos, a stunned charles and
his wife camila both in formal
attire headed to a charity event
in london's famed end.
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| 01:37:37 | >> Questions will be asked.
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| 01:37:38 | The responsibility of the
security is to keep their
charges safe.
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| 01:37:42 | And this could have been a lot,
lot worse than it was.
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| 01:37:44 | >> Reporter: The couple wasn't
hurt, but the duchess of
cornwall was visibly rattled.
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| 01:37:51 | >> Camila was shake tone the
core.
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| 01:37:53 | She came into the theater, was
guided straight through and
let's just say a stiff brandy
was administered.
|
| 01:38:00 | >> Reporter: All across london
students voted while the
government voted to triple
college tuition, part of
sweeping and drastic new budget
cuts.
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| 01:38:10 | >> It's the banks that caused
this and we or having to pay.
|
| 01:38:12 | >> Reporter: The mayhem spread
into one of london's most
popular tourist areas packed
with shoppers.
|
| 01:38:19 | At least a dozen officers
injured as well as many students
with more than 40 arrests.
|
| 01:38:24 | These days much of europe shares
britain ice pain with more
protests expected.
|
| 01:38:30 | >> First they had some sympathy.
|
| 01:38:32 | I think now by attacking the
royals, it really turns against
them because they are very well
liked and well loved.
|
| 01:38:43 | >> Still with a heavily
anticipated royal wedding, the
latest violence on london
streets will force the royal
family to reassess security.
|
| 01:38:49 | >> Wow, peter alexander
reporting from london.
|
| 01:38:53 | >>> Up mekt, michelle rhee, the
former chancellor of d.c.
|
| 01:38:57 | Schools talks about her new
venture in education.
|
| 01:39:00 | Much more with donny deutsch,
pat buchanan, governor rendell
and mike barnicle.
|
| 01:39:07 | "
>>> it's called students first.
|
| 01:42:41 | Whenever anybody hears about us,
they know exactly what we're
about.
|
| 01:42:44 | >> The little hairs on my head
are raising.
|
| 01:42:48 | I don't have the know-how to fix
it.
|
| 01:42:51 | I have been saying and keep
saying somebody needs to fix it.
|
| 01:42:54 | And the fact that you've stepped
up and said I want to be the
person to do it.
|
| 01:42:57 | God bless you for that.
|
| 01:42:59 | >> That was, of course, michelle
rhee, the former school
chancellor in washington, d.c.
|
| 01:43:05 | Announcing her new veen tour
students first on the oprah
winfrey show.
|
| 01:43:11 | She's on the cover of the
current "newsweek" magazine and
joins us from washington.
|
| 01:43:15 | Thanks for being with us.
|
| 01:43:16 | >> Thanks for having me.
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| 01:43:22 | >> Let me ask you a question.
|
| 01:43:22 | You look very excited, glowing
on oprah's show.
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| 01:43:24 | Are you more excited about the
prospect of affecting education
change from outside government?
|
| 01:43:29 | Are you more effective now than
you were a month ago?
|
| 01:43:33 | >> Well, I actually loved my job
as the chancellor of the d.c.
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| 01:43:37 | Public school system.
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| 01:43:38 | So I miss that.
|
| 01:43:39 | But what I'm excited about is
just the fact that we have so
many people who are behind this
movement after we announced on
the oprah show on monday within
the first 48 hours we had
100,000 people sign up to become
members.
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| 01:43:55 | They donated a half million
dollars through our website, all
in small donation.
|
| 01:44:02 | The average donation was about
$63.
|
| 01:44:05 | The response has been absolutely
tremendous to the things we're
talking about.
|
| 01:44:09 | That's incredibly exciting.
|
| 01:44:11 | >> What's the idea here?
|
| 01:44:12 | What is students first?
|
| 01:44:14 | >> The idea behind students
first is the fact that for
decades in this country the
education agenda has been driven
by special interest rups.
|
| 01:44:22 | And you've got textbook
manufacturing, you've got
teachers unions, food people.
|
| 01:44:27 | It's sort of all driven by these
different groups.
|
| 01:44:32 | The fact of the matter is
there's no organized interest
group advocating solely on
behalf of children within public
education.
|
| 01:44:40 | That's what's missioning.
|
| 01:44:41 | It's caused the landscape in
education where we're looking
out for adult interests above
what's in the best interest of
children.
|
| 01:44:49 | >> Michelle, first of all,
congratulations.
|
| 01:44:51 | You're a hero, you're
revolutionary.
|
| 01:44:55 | >> Thanks.
|
| 01:44:55 | >> You said we're going to hold
teachers accountable from a
competency point of view the
same way we do in the private
sector and every other area.
|
| 01:45:03 | What's the argument against
that?
|
| 01:45:05 | When you say, you know what?
|
| 01:45:07 | It's not going to be built on
tenor.
|
| 01:45:10 | There's no other job in the
world where the person is there
the longest, they get to stay
versus people who are better.
|
| 01:45:16 | The people that continue to
fight you, what's the actual
counterargument?
|
| 01:45:20 | Because I can't figure one out?
|
| 01:45:21 | Sglit's actually a pretty weak
you look right now at
situationless like, for example
there was a recent
article that talked about the
fact that they laid teachers off
by seniority.
|
| 01:45:33 | And so a bunch of new teachers
got laid off who, in fact,
happened to be the most
effective teachers in the
district.
|
| 01:45:40 | Folks were saying, this is not
fair for kids.
|
| 01:45:42 | Who is this good for?
|
| 01:45:45 | It was the teachers union who
said we feel like it's the only
fair way for the teachers to
determine who gets to stay and
go based on how long you've been
here.
|
| 01:45:53 | So it's sort of this fairness.
|
| 01:45:54 | But it's all again focused on
the adults not the kids.
|
| 01:45:58 | rhee, I don't know that
there's an answer to this
question.
|
| 01:46:01 | But I'm going to ask it anyway
of you.
|
| 01:46:05 | And it is this.
|
| 01:46:06 | That I think a lot of people are
aware of the profound
difficulties of inner city
schools, the single-parent
household, sometimes no-parent
household that the students come
from, the poverty, the fact that
the schools are often the safest
place the kids spend their hours
in aive given day.
|
| 01:46:22 | What do you think can be done,
if anything, about involving the
larger community, white suburban
parents, suburban school
principals in this national
issue?
|
| 01:46:33 | >> Well, the first thing is that
americans need to understand
that this is not just an issue
that is impacting poor minority
kids in urban centers.
|
| 01:46:42 | This issue is impacting all of
our children.
|
| 01:46:46 | When I talk to your point, white
suburban folks out there, i
share with them the statistic
that the top 5% of kids in this
country, so the best of the
best, are actually 25th out of
30 developed nations as well.
|
| 01:46:59 | So it's not like our best are
doing so great.
|
| 01:47:03 | We're falling further and
further behind as a nation, and
I think everyone across the
country needs a wake-up call.
|
| 01:47:10 | >> Governor rendell, michelle
just touched on some of the
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united states in the world.
|
| 01:47:19 | You face a lot of these
challenges in your state.
|
| 01:47:21 | What's the most exciting thing
you've seen out there to change
the status of education?
|
| 01:47:25 | >> I think michelle is right and
I'd like to hear what she thinks
ought to be in the
reauthorization of no child left
behind.
|
| 01:47:32 | I think early childhood, early
childhood is so crucial to the
development of our children,
willie.
|
| 01:47:38 | Pre kindergarten, quality
education experience, full day
kindergarten.
|
| 01:47:43 | If we don't have those things,
we're sunk.
|
| 01:47:44 | >> Michelle rhee, I'll give you
the last word.
|
| 01:47:47 | I read something pretty
interesting.
|
| 01:47:49 | You said your one regret perhaps
about your time as chancellor
was that you weren't specific
enough about who you were
talking about, you maybe
sometimes gave a perception that
you were angry at all teachers
and speaking only to a small
percentage of them.
|
| 01:48:05 | >> That's absolutely right.
|
| 01:48:07 | I've spent the last few days
since we announced on monday out
there speaking to a whole lot of
teachers, to parents, to
children, and people are really
motivated right now.
|
| 01:48:16 | They know the system is not
working for our children and
they really want to see a
change.
|
| 01:48:20 | We hope that people will join see a change.
|
| 01:48:22 | We hope they join our students
first organization.
|
| 01:48:25 | >> We hope they do.
|
| 01:48:26 | It hardly could be more
important.
|
| 01:48:30 | Michelle rhee, founder of
students first.
|
| 01:48:32 | Thank you for all you've done.
|
| 01:48:34 | >> Governor rendell, great to
have you with us.
|
| 01:48:36 | >> Who's better than governor
rendell, huh?
|
| 01:48:39 | >> Not many of them.
|
| 01:48:40 | >> Up next, the week in review.
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| 01:52:31 | >>> welcome back to "morning
"
live pictures of manhattan.
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| 01:52:35 | It's a cool and beautiful friday
in new york.
|
| 01:52:38 | The top three stories of the
week.
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| 01:52:40 | >> I'm sick.
|
| 01:52:42 | >> You will only get better.
|
| 01:52:45 | >> Who are you?
|
| 01:52:46 | >> I'm the beaver.
|
| 01:52:50 | >> Mel and the beaver.
|
| 01:52:52 | >> Not that beaver, this beaver.
|
| 01:52:56 | >> Last week, heard from mel
gibson, he was sweet talking the
mother of his child.
|
| 01:53:03 | [ Bleep ]
>> gibson was joins this week in
his return to the public eye by
a fury beaver puppet.
|
| 01:53:09 | >> Good morning all.
|
| 01:53:10 | As of now, waldo is resigning
and putting me in charge.
|
| 01:53:15 | >> Reporter: The release of the
trailer for gibson's upcoming
film "the beaver" was step one
of the classic hollywood
comeback that almost always
begins with a beaver puppet.
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| 01:53:26 | >> This is a joke?
|
| 01:53:27 | >> No.
|
| 01:53:28 | A fresh start.
|
| 01:53:29 | >> Reporter: At number two,
another jarring reminder this
week of the dangers of smoking.
|
| 01:53:35 | While repairing your lawn mower
in the bedroom.
|
| 01:53:40 | joseph,
missouri, say a home burned down
when the resident fired up a
cigarette while tuning up a
gassy old lawn mower in his
bedroom.
|
| 01:53:53 | The man and his wife escaped
injury but the home and the lawn
mower were lost.
|
| 01:54:00 | >>> The number one story of the
week.
|
| 01:54:03 | >> It's tempting not to
negotiate with hostage takers
unless the hostage gets harmed.
|
| 01:54:10 | >> Reporter: Hostage crisis.
|
| 01:54:11 | >> The republicans are holding
hostage.
|
| 01:54:14 | >> Initiatives are being held
hostage.
|
| 01:54:17 | >> Middle class taxes, hostage.
|
| 01:54:19 | >> President obama heroically
freed the hostages this week by
agreeing to a compromise with
republicans on an extension of
the bush tax cuts.
|
| 01:54:27 | HIS NEW BFFs ON THE RIGHT
Applauded their buddy, barry.
|
| 01:54:32 | >> This is a step in the right
direction.
|
| 01:54:35 | >> And the president told his
old friends on the left to get
over it.
|
| 01:54:39 | >> We will be able to feel good
about ourselves and
sanctimonious.
|
| 01:54:43 | >> Snap.
|
| 01:54:44 | That is not going to go over
today.
|
| 01:54:46 | >> The president today also
turned withering fire on
liberals.
|
| 01:54:51 | >> Safe a touch of that sarcasm
and self martyr come to to
republicans.
|
| 01:54:55 | >> I have never seen a president
come out at a press conference
and be so aggressive against his
own party.
|
| 01:55:00 | >> Reporter: The president's
critics were most outraged that
he would break his tax plan to
end tax cuts for millionaires.
|
| 01:55:11 | Especially for those who speak
for beaver puppets.
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| 01:55:13 | "
>> tack -- tax cuts for
millionaires and beaver puppets.
|
| 01:55:22 | >> It's just not right.
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| 01:55:24 | It's just wrong.
|
| 01:55:25 | >> Lawrence o'donnell, up late
with his hit show, last word,
joined us early this morning.
|
| 01:55:32 | Eugene robinson, all next on
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| 01:59:10 | >>> The statute of limitations
has run out on the bush
administration being blamed.
|
| 01:59:15 | That's gone.
|
| 01:59:16 | >> Says who?
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| 01:59:17 | >> Me.
|
| 01:59:19 | It's time for barack obama to
stand on his own two feet.
|
| 01:59:22 | He does it or he doesn't.
|
| 01:59:24 | >> My god, he's come into a
house that's been condemned for
eight years and he's standing on
his two feet and saying, holy
crap, the plumbing's gone, the
fireplace doesn't work, there's
rats in the attic, the garage is
going to blow up.
|
| 01:59:38 | >> New poll out today.
|
| 01:59:39 | 52% Of americans say they're
worse off now than when bush
left office.
|
| 01:59:46 | It's the same thing with
bleeding to death.
|
| 01:59:49 | It starts out as a cut.
|
| 01:59:51 | I got a little cut here.
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| 01:59:53 | I opened and artery.
|
| 01:59:54 | It's just a little cut.
|
| 01:59:56 | Come see me six weeks from now,
see how I'm doing.
|
| 01:59:58 | If the cut has not been bandage
by god, I will bleed to death,
you blow hard!
|
| 02:00:05 | >> Couldn't help himself.
|
| 02:00:07 | >> Welcome back to "morning
"
00 in the morning, new york
city, picture of the rockefeller
christmas tree.
|
| 02:00:14 | With us in new york, mike
barnicle and donny deutche and
joining the table of host of
msnbc's "last word" week nights.
|
| 02:00:26 | >> Isn't it officially the last
word?
|
| 02:00:28 | That's official.
|
| 02:00:29 | It started out as a catchy
title.
|
| 02:00:31 | It's become a mandate now.
|
| 02:00:33 | >> They literally turn out the
lights at msnbc.
|
| 02:00:38 | Lawrence o'donnell with us.
|
| 02:00:40 | Pat buchanan and pulitzer prize
winning publisher from the "new
york post".
|
| 02:00:52 | >> In other words, the smart
guys are here.
|
| 02:00:54 | >> We've been place holders for
two hours.
|
| 02:00:56 | >> Lawrence o'donnell, you've
been watching the show.
|
| 02:00:59 | >> I have.
|
| 02:01:00 | >> You say you agree with a lot
of what's been said.
|
| 02:01:03 | >> I find myself in the
strangest agreement whatever.
|
| 02:01:06 | I agree with pat buchanan and
robert greenstein.
|
| 02:01:10 | Most viewers don't know who he
is.
|
| 02:01:12 | Robert greenstein is the head of
the center on budget and policy
priorities, which is a nice
neutral sounding name for an
institution that is actually
dedicated to a really strong
lefty protection of the poverty
population in the most part.
|
| 02:01:29 | Probability greenstein has been
at this over 30 years.
|
| 02:01:31 | He goes back to the carter
administration.
|
| 02:01:34 | He is the most effective
lobbiest in washington.
|
| 02:01:40 | Lobbying almost entirely for the
interests of the poor and
disadvantaged in all budget
issues that come before the
congress, both tax policy,
spending policy.
|
| 02:01:48 | Rob greenstein has put out a
report earlier this week, saying
that the obama deal is the best
deal available under the
circumstances.
|
| 02:01:57 | He condemns the extension of the
top tax rate.
|
| 02:02:01 | He condemns what they did on the
estate tax but he looks at the
entire thing.
|
| 02:02:07 | In looking at the entire thing,
this is where he comes out in
exactly the same position.
|
| 02:02:13 | I heard pat buchanan say earlier
this morning, which is this is
the best deal possible under
these difficult circumstances.
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| 02:02:20 | >> You salute the president?
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| 02:02:22 | >> I think the president -- I've
been in -- I take the discussion
much more seriously what I'm
hearing from people who of an
actually tried to negotiate with
republicans in the senate on
taxes, I spent a few years
doing.
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| 02:02:37 | I was stunned monday night when
I saw what the president
achieved in negotiations with
diehard republicans on taxes in
the senate.
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| 02:02:43 | I think there's some very
surprising achievements in it.
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| 02:02:47 | I understand all the trach
issues about, joe, others have
raised about the timing of this.
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| 02:02:52 | They were absolutely wrong not
doing this in the first year.
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| 02:02:56 | You never ever try to do a tax
bill in an election year, you
don't do it.
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| 02:03:00 | Bill clinton, the first thing he
did was his tax bill.
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| 02:03:03 | Final note, I will cede the
floor.
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| 02:03:08 | Bill clinton, the last
democratic president to do a tax
bill, he ran on a middle class
tax cut, took office, had
meetings with the o&b directors
alan greenspan and acted very
surprise to say, we have a big
deficit, I didn't realize that
as a candidate.
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| 02:03:25 | He flip-flopped 100%, did a huge
tax increase, the biggest tax
increase in history, I'm proud
of because I helped legislate
it.
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| 02:03:33 | If you're going legislate a tax
increase -- he did the biggest
flip-flop any president had ever
done on taxes, running on a
middle class tax cut,
flip-flopping to a tax increase
and not one objection, not one
objection from a liberal
democrat.
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| 02:03:49 | Not one.
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| 02:03:51 | >> Joe is in florida.
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| 02:03:53 | Joe.
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| 02:03:54 | >> I'm fascinated listening to
lawrence.
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| 02:03:58 | I'm fascinated because unlike so
many people that have been
talking this week about what the
president can and can't achieve,
he actually has been there and
he was there in fact when I was
there and he saw what bill
clinton did to republicans like
me when he kept saying
republicans want to cut taxes
for the rich and they're going
to pay for it by hurting poor
people.
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| 02:04:25 | So, lawrence, I guess, you're
exactly right.
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| 02:04:28 | They should have taken care of
this much earlier.
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| 02:04:32 | Looking back at what bill
clinton did, how he bru tanized
us for a year, we thought we had
him dead to center and he
reversed it and he killed us,
tell me why the president
couldn't have -- it would have
taken a couple months, had to
fight a while, why the president
couldn't have just kept
hammering on republicans saying,
john boehner wants to take away
unemployment benefits for the
most needy families at
christmastime to pay for tax
cuts for millionaires.
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| 02:05:02 | Why could he not have done that
if he was willing to go to the
mat like bill clinton did in
1995?
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| 02:05:08 | >> Certainly, there's time on
the clock for him to take this
up to new year's eve to get a
deal before the rates go up
AUTOMATICALLY JANUARY 1st.
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| 02:05:19 | When you're in the presidency,
there is a need to look beyond
the legislative exercise and
look what the country's
experiencing in terms of their
expectation of stability.
|
| 02:05:29 | When you see a situation like
this with the rates that will
change on a given day, you try
to get this thing done as
smoothly and far in advance as
possible.
|
| 02:05:37 | This is not in as far advance as
possible, they should have done
it a year ago.
|
| 02:05:42 | This is where he was.
|
| 02:05:44 | I understand this strategic game
saying maybe he should have kept
going with this.
|
| 02:05:49 | Maybe he should have, I don't
know, but I do understand the
presidential responsibility
trying to create stability in
the economy and wall street's
view what will happen going
forward.
|
| 02:06:00 | I understand why they made the
move when they did.
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| 02:06:02 | >> Right.
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| 02:06:04 | >> If you let it roll past
JANUARY 1st, YOU THEN RUN INTO A
Level of tax complexity you
don't want to think about.
|
| 02:06:11 | I have worked on and written ret
from active tax law.
|
| 02:06:15 | It is ugly stuff to do.
|
| 02:06:17 | Let's say you let it roll to
january and I will keep hitting
them on this and keep hitting
them on this and you think
you're somehow -- let's assume
you became somehow more
successful doing this with a
republican house of
representatives, I don't know
how you would be more successful
with a republican house of
representatives than democratic
house repsentatives.
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| 02:06:38 | It can be done.
|
| 02:06:39 | I don't want to overstate the
complexity.
|
| 02:06:42 | >> Right.
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| 02:06:42 | >> It's very messy.
|
| 02:06:43 | I think that's -- their guess
was -- I think their guess was
the general voter will reward us
more for getting this done
smoothly than having us do this
in a very dirty way by
valentine's day.
|
| 02:06:57 | >> I think we all agree around
the table here that politically,
this was a good move for the
president in the long run, to
get those independents back that
abandoned him in droves.
|
| 02:07:08 | Economically, though, I'm not
sure.
|
| 02:07:10 | Lawrence, my biggest concern as
a news analyst, a political
analyst, has been what this
means to the president and his
base.
|
| 02:07:18 | That's what I have not been able
to square politically.
|
| 02:07:21 | Let me ask you, then we have
gene we need to get to and pat
in washington.
|
| 02:07:27 | Lawrence, I want to ask you,
because I'm fascinated at your
answer here.
|
| 02:07:31 | You said the president got a
good deal out of this, you're
surprised by it.
|
| 02:07:37 | That stuns me because so much of
this is tax driven and people
like me believe that if you cut
taxes for business owners, that
helps the economy.
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| 02:07:47 | If you cut payroll taxes, that
helps the economy.
|
| 02:07:50 | What is in this for progressive
democrats that heartens you?
|
| 02:07:55 | >> Well, the extension of
unemployment benefits is the big
and obvious thing.
|
| 02:08:00 | It's very easy to identify what
you don't like in a compromise.
|
| 02:08:03 | That's why it's called a
compromise.
|
| 02:08:05 | So, you know, I think the total
package -- the "new york times"
editorial board, unlike some of
their columnists, the "new york
times" editorial board came out
forth rightly, right away, this
is a good deal.
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| 02:08:19 | Bob greenstein, I can't
overemphasize to you, I don't
want to give him a liberal
label, he doesn't want that,
there's not a democratic senator
who doesn't check with bob
greenstein on this kind of bill
and say, what does bob think?
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| 02:08:34 | For him to say on balance this
is something you should vote for
in this difficult climate.
|
| 02:08:39 | Let me just -- one of the
stupidist words used in any of
this discussion is people
saying, make tax rates
permanent.
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| 02:08:47 | There is no such thing as a
permanent tax rate, no such
thing.
|
| 02:08:51 | They're changeable at any time.
|
| 02:08:52 | >> Let me go to gene robinson.
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| 02:08:56 | Gene, if you're keeping score at
home, the "new york times"
editorial board supports these
tax cuts.
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| 02:09:02 | Bob greenstein, we have been
told, supports these tax cuts,
thomas friedman supports these
tax cuts, pat buchanan supports
these tax cuts, pat toomey
supports these tax cuts.
|
| 02:09:22 | It sounds pretty bipartisan,
doesn't it?
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| 02:09:24 | >> It is.
|
| 02:09:25 | It is a compromise.
|
| 02:09:28 | I support this.
|
| 02:09:29 | I wrote this morning, a lot of
this is painful.
|
| 02:09:33 | It's galling to give in on the
millionaires tax cuts and some
of the other stuff, but, number
one, politically, I don't think
there was a choice.
|
| 02:09:46 | The would have could have should
have period, when the president
called have slammed the
republicans and really taken
this case to the public, that
was a few months ago.
|
| 02:09:57 | That's gone.
|
| 02:09:57 | You couldn't do that between now
and new year's.
|
| 02:10:02 | I really believe more strongly
than lawrence that you really
couldn't go into the new year,
given the situation.
|
| 02:10:11 | You end up with a big package
that is more stimulative, i
guess, than we had thought,
although not terribly
stimulative.
|
| 02:10:22 | You wouldn't start from scratch
and design a trillion dollar
stimulus like this you expect to
give the economy a boost.
|
| 02:10:31 | It's not nearly as bad as it
could have been.
|
| 02:10:34 | The fact is, I don't think
democrats have a choice
politically, other than to
swallow hard and approve the
thing and live to fight another
die.
|
| 02:10:45 | >> Pat buchanan, I don't want to
overstate this.
|
| 02:10:49 | But I will be thinking about it
over the weekend.
|
| 02:10:51 | This reminds me, the only
parallel that I can take, with
some of the most progressive
thinkers, supporting jack kemp
style tax cuts is the collapse
of the wall where the wall goes
down and you're looking around
and saying, okay, we won, what
do we do now?
|
| 02:11:12 | Pat, I'm serious, this is jack
kemp economics.
|
| 02:11:16 | This is supply-side economics,
and it seems that washington has
capitulated.
|
| 02:11:25 | I guess, pat, what do we do when
we win?
|
| 02:11:28 | Do we just plant the flag and go
home?
|
| 02:11:31 | >> Look, this --
>> the debate is over on tax
cuts!
|
| 02:11:36 | >> Ronald reagan accepted one of
the biggest tax increases
because they came home to him.
|
| 02:11:42 | Let me tell you, the key thing
is the political analysis.
|
| 02:11:46 | Obama read the lay of the land
precisely correct.
|
| 02:11:49 | The republicans can't go home
again if they take away those
tax cuts for the wealthy.
|
| 02:11:53 | He knew that.
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| 02:11:54 | He would have lost -- if he went
TO DECEMBER 31st, HE'D HAVE LOST
The dream act, "don't ask, don't
tell," he'd have lost the starke
treaty and republicans would
have come back on january 25th
and said here's the entire
extension of tax cuts.
|
| 02:12:10 | If obama vetoed it, they'd have
said you're holding middle class
tax cuts hostage to your social
adamants against the rich.
|
| 02:12:19 | >> Pat, is there anybody in
that will stand
up for the next generation of
voters?
|
| 02:12:25 | Is there anybody in washington
that will vote no on this
bill?
|
| 02:12:29 | >> Yes.
|
| 02:12:30 | >> Because we add another
trillion to the national debt, a
trillion we cannot afford?
|
| 02:12:37 | I know it's an emergency.
|
| 02:12:39 | Guess what, it's always an
emergency.
|
| 02:12:41 | It was an emergency the past
decade we r$8 more
trillion in debt.
|
| 02:12:46 | Who is going to stand up for the
next generation?
|
| 02:12:49 | >> Rand paul said he would vote
against the bill.
|
| 02:12:52 | Rand paul.
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| 02:12:52 | >> That at's good.
|
| 02:12:55 | >> Said if he's in the senate,
he'll vote against this bill.
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| 02:12:59 | He'll be in the senate the 5th
of january.
|
| 02:13:01 | >> You know what I like-
>> it's fascinating.
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| 02:13:04 | >> What's interesting about
this, the one argument, joe,
you've been making from a
philosophical point of view for
the next two years, he's
spending $180 billion to
continue the tax breaks for the
million plus people.
|
| 02:13:19 | I think what he bought is the
psychology of trillions of
dollars on the sidelines you and
I talk about a lot, business is
waiting to put back in.
|
| 02:13:27 | >> Bingo!
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| 02:13:29 | Bingo.
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| 02:13:29 | >> That triggers it.
|
| 02:13:30 | That $180 billion, I think buys
you a lot in return and I think
that's the answer.
|
| 02:13:36 | >> Donnie, I have to say the one
bright side of this, and
lawrence, I'll throw this to you
as well, the one bright side of
this, I see, where there's a
possibility maybe the deficit
goes down a bit, is the fact
that $2 trillion actually on
the sidelines that haven't been
invested, barack obama has been
hostile to the business
community.
|
| 02:13:55 | He's called jamie dimon in,
called bill clinton in, giving
tax cuts to the wealthiest of
americans.
|
| 02:14:04 | That sends a real message to
wall street this guy may not be
against them after all.
|
| 02:14:09 | >> That message is contained in
this.
|
| 02:14:11 | What is not -- what is not
contained in this is supplyside
economics.
|
| 02:14:16 | Remember what supply-side
economics is.
|
| 02:14:19 | It is the promise by cutting
taxes, the treasury will
actually collect more revenue,
because the economy will be so
wildly stimulated by cutting
taxes.
|
| 02:14:29 | What you are saying, joe, is by
cutting these taxes, the
treasury is going to collect
less money, which is correct, so
supplyside economics has been de
feeded completely
conceptionally.
|
| 02:14:44 | What you're actually seeing here
is kensian economics.
|
| 02:14:47 | You're right about the democrats
lost the tax argument a long
time ago.
|
| 02:14:52 | Republicans live on the easy
side of that street.
|
| 02:14:56 | They want to cut all taxes all
the time and democrats play it
three-quarters of the way.
|
| 02:15:02 | Rembush came up with
his tax cut, the democratic
response was we don't want to do
a tax cut, we want to do
three-fourths of the tax cut you
want to do, mr. president.
|
| 02:15:15 | >> Lawrence, I have to say, I've
been talking to very powerful
democrats behind closed doors
over the past week.
|
| 02:15:22 | They're sound
supply-siders, they say, you
know we will get more revenue in
the future because the tax cuts
will stimulate the economy and
that will actually bring the
deficit down.
|
| 02:15:39 | >> The president's not saying
that.
|
| 02:15:41 | >> Well, a lot of powerful
people --
>> gene.
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| 02:15:45 | >> I'm wondering who said
precisely that?
|
| 02:15:48 | You know, I don't think the
entire city of washington has
bought into the classic
supply-side idea.
|
| 02:15:58 | But what lawrence said is true,
democrats kind of lost the tax
argument a long time ago, tax
rates are down, down, down, and
that's the way it's been and
apparently that's the way it's
going to be.
|
| 02:16:13 | The american public never saw a
tax cut it didn't like.
|
| 02:16:19 | That's become the republicans'
main issue and they've been very
successful for it.
|
| 02:16:25 | One reason we don't have enough
revenue to pay for the programs
we demand but that's a whole
other story.
|
| 02:16:32 | >> Gene, in your column, you say
the president has to be a little
more careful how he handles the
left and talking about the press
conference, told them to lose
the sanctionimony and purity
and get real.
|
| 02:16:45 | >> If he could lose the
name-calling, it would do him a
bit of good.
|
| 02:16:50 | That really ticked people off
and is responsible for some of
the -- what he saw, I think, in
the democratic caucus on the
hill yesterday, when people were
very exercised about -- about
the deal and also about the way
the president treated them, i
think.
|
| 02:17:07 | >> All right.
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| 02:17:08 | Eugene robinson, thas so much.
|
| 02:17:11 | A new column in this morning's
"
check it out online.
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| 02:17:15 | Pick up a copy.
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| 02:17:16 | Thanks.
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| 02:17:17 | Have a great weekend.
|
| 02:17:18 | >>> The new chairman of the
winestein company.
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| 02:17:23 | Harvey winestein and d
boies.
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| 02:17:27 | >> He neveanywhere
without his lawyer.
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| 02:17:34 | >> David boies biggest case, a
movie rating.
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| 02:17:38 | His memoirs, chapter one, how i
got that rating.
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| 02:17:41 | >> And a divorce case that is a
movie in and of itself.
|
| 02:17:46 | >> First, bill karins with a
check on the forecast.
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| 02:17:49 | >> Good morning, we have an
active forecast, I'm sure a lot
of people have their errands
already planned out for this
weekend.
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| 02:17:56 | Weather will be an issue.
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| 02:17:58 | Snow showers.
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| 02:17:58 | Rolling through pittsburgh,
cleveland, erie and beautifully,
moving out during the day today.
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| 02:18:05 | Chilly day in new
england, not bad in d.c.
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| 02:18:11 | MID-30s.
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| 02:18:12 | Southern minnesota, minneapolis,
blizzard condition, could get up
to a foot of snow.
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| 02:18:17 | Wisconsin will get nailed.
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| 02:18:18 | By saturday night, totals around
6-12 inches there, northern half
of wisconsin and michigan.
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| 02:18:24 | Sunday, this is the day on the
east coast, you want to be
indoor, don't want to be out
getting your christmas tree.
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| 02:18:31 | Heavy rain in the atlantic and
new england.
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| 02:22:12 | >>> Have you talked to him?
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| 02:22:14 | >> No.
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| 02:22:15 | Hi, bye, how are you?
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| 02:22:17 | >> How are you?
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| 02:22:18 | >> Yeah.
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| 02:22:19 | He asked me how I was.
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| 02:22:20 | You told him?
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| 02:22:21 | >> I didn't want to.
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| 02:22:23 | We were stuck there.
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| 02:22:25 | We were in the same store buying
things together at the same
time.
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| 02:22:29 | I wish you'd seen him and
wouldn't feel so bad.
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| 02:22:33 | He's fat.
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| 02:22:33 | >> What do I care?
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| 02:22:35 | What do I care if he's fat or
not?
|
| 02:22:38 | >> That was a scene from th
upcoming film, blue valentine,
not out yet but generating a
bunch of oscar talk, making
headlines when the distributor
of the film managed to get the
rating downgraded from nc-17 to
r.
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| 02:22:52 | Joining us now the men who made
it happen, harvey winestein and
attorney, david boies.
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| 02:22:58 | Thanks for being here.
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| 02:22:59 | >> Thanks for having us.
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| 02:23:00 | "
my tv debut.
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| 02:23:06 | >> Still said if david and i
were good, they'd give us the
show during the test pattern.
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| 02:23:13 | >> You must have been flattered
by the offer.
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| 02:23:16 | >> We are.
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| 02:23:16 | >> Why the fight over this film,
why nc-17.
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| 02:23:21 | >> There's a 17, where the
actor, the two characters
perform oral sex.
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| 02:23:26 | You don't see, no nudity,
tastefully done.
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| 02:23:30 | I think in this situation, this
is a movie that's so realistic
the way the film was made,
almost the first time two great
actors, like ryan gosling and
michelle williams got penalized
for being two great actors
because they accomplished the
feeling of reality and the
director is very much in the
mode there wasn't no music and i
think they thought it was real
and it's anything but.
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| 02:23:57 | >> You have to change.
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| 02:23:59 | Why is it so important for
people watching, why is nc-17
bad for business.
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| 02:24:04 | >> The economics is certain
theaters won't play it in the
united states, television
stations won't allow you to
advertise it.
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| 02:24:12 | Newspapers in a lot of these
cities won't allow you to
advertise it either.
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| 02:24:16 | The economic consequences of a
small beautiful movie like blue
valentine is devastaing.
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| 02:24:22 | >> David, this is one of many
fights you have taken up.
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| 02:24:26 | What drew you to this one?
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| 02:24:27 | >> This is an important one just
in terms of whether the films
are going to be real or not.
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| 02:24:31 | You have lots of sex and
violence in lots of movies that
are rated r.
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| 02:24:36 | This was a real movie, this was
about adult relationships, a
serious movie.
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| 02:24:43 | In some perverse way, it seemed
to me the movie was getting
penalized because it was
something that was real, you
could believe in as opsed to
some of the sex and violence
scenes everybody knows is semi
fantasy.
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| 02:24:57 | >> Sex you can believe in.
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| 02:24:59 | "Morning joe" can get behind
that.
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| 02:25:01 | >> That will be our tag line.
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| 02:25:03 | >> So can we all.
|
| 02:25:05 | >> The crack staff here at
"morning joe" supplies us
dummies with these sheets that
explain to us who is coming on.
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| 02:25:12 | This is how I find out who
harvey winestein is because i
never heard of the guy.
|
| 02:25:18 | This lawyer here, sitting behind
me, david boies is identified in
our fact sheet as -- you will
love this, entertainment lawyer.
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| 02:25:26 | >> In this case.
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| 02:25:28 | >> Entertainment lawyer, that's
who we have.
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| 02:25:32 | >> It's a new area.
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| 02:25:33 | >> You have left this new
practice of representing
presidential candidates and
contesting elections and
microsoft anti-trust cases and
giant cases and gone to fighting
for ratings in hollywood.
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| 02:25:44 | How does the pressure compare?
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| 02:25:46 | >> Fighting for sex.
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| 02:25:47 | >> How does the pressure
compare, fighting for sex you
can believe in, to fighting over
a presidential election outcome?
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| 02:25:53 | >> The characters are at least
as interesting.
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| 02:25:59 | >> Sure.
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| 02:25:59 | >> You get to see some nice
movies.
|
| 02:26:03 | On the other hand, around
election time, you can't beat
politics.
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| 02:26:06 | >> I think david is being modest
right now.
|
| 02:26:09 | He's, you know, doing
proposition 8 and defending it
on an appeal in california with
ted olson.
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| 02:26:16 | I know you guys talk about
bipartisanship.
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| 02:26:23 | The greatest trial lawyers,
liberal like david and
conservative like ted fighting
together for gay rights in this
country.
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| 02:26:30 | >> That is a serious issue.
|
| 02:26:33 | >> He can go hollywood on
occasion.
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| 02:26:35 | I dangle that out, come to los
angeles, go to the oscars.
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| 02:26:41 | >> Who makes up the ratings
board?
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| 02:26:43 | Who do you go to, to appeal
this?
|
| 02:26:48 | >> The ratings board is made up
by parents.
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| 02:26:52 | Called the mpaa.
|
| 02:26:54 | The great thing about this case
was for the first time in
history was 14-0.
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| 02:26:58 | I made the presentation, because
my mom always wanted me to be a
lawyer.
|
| 02:27:02 | I have 75 oscars and I won 20
tony awards and peabody awards,
nothing mattered to her until
she read that we overturned this
case and she said, oh, my god,
my son's finally a lawyer.
|
| 02:27:15 | I think she was going to call
david and see if there was a
position available.
|
| 02:27:18 | >> Hold it, hold it.
|
| 02:27:19 | >> I go legal and dave wants to
go hollywood.
|
| 02:27:22 | >> Can I go back a couple of
sentences, did I just hear
someone say, I have 75 oscars?
|
| 02:27:28 | Is there anyone else in the
history of the planet who
can --
>> that's sucking up, lawrence.
|
| 02:27:36 | >> There's not a lot of them
floating around.
|
| 02:27:39 | >> George clooney is making a
political movie right now, you'd
be great for it.
|
| 02:27:44 | >> Seriously, that's it, right?
|
| 02:27:46 | That's the record, there can't
be anything close to it?
|
| 02:27:48 | >> There's a few records we
have.
|
| 02:27:50 | >> Who's number two?
|
| 02:27:52 | If number one is 75, who's
number two?
|
| 02:27:57 | >> Actually warner brothers is
number two.
|
| 02:27:58 | >> I had a streak I had 14 best
picture nominations in a row and
the second was warner brothers
with ten.
|
| 02:28:04 | >> What's the state of the movie
business?
|
| 02:28:07 | We've been in a recession a
couple years now.
|
| 02:28:10 | >> We're beginning to see the
american independent film, that
sector was down.
|
| 02:28:14 | When you have movies like "blue
valentine" and we have a movie
out called "the king's speech,"
another ratings battle and "the
pat tillman story," david also
helped me on with rating.
|
| 02:28:30 | I should say alan friedman was
the lawyer with me in the
ratings board, the former
general counsel to miramax and
david advised the both of us.
|
| 02:28:39 | We did an extraordinary thing.
|
| 02:28:41 | We found a loophole.
|
| 02:28:43 | Over the years, you watch david
work.
|
| 02:28:45 | >> King of the loopholes.
|
| 02:28:46 | >> I published his book -- when
I was a kid, I read lewis
neiser's book, "my life in
"
I never met anybody but david
who could fill those shoes.
|
| 02:28:58 | I approached david and paid him
a lot of money to write his
autobiography or his cases and
watched him work.
|
| 02:29:10 | We talk about parents and
american parents.
|
| 02:29:13 | We were on the phone with him,
we said, this is all about
american parents, isn't it?
|
| 02:29:18 | They said, yes.
|
| 02:29:19 | What if we had a screening, new
york?
|
| 02:29:22 | No.
|
| 02:29:23 | Too coast.
|
| 02:29:23 | New jersey, too close to new
york.
|
| 02:29:26 | >> Where?
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| 02:29:27 | >> Kansas city.
|
| 02:29:28 | >> We organized a screening in
three hours, had 300 american
parents, a woman who works for
the state of kansas city certify
the case.
|
| 02:29:40 | Certify the results of the
screening were accurate.
|
| 02:29:43 | 70% Of the people thought the
movie should be rated r, which
is the majority that's needed to
overturn a decision.
|
| 02:29:49 | It's never been done before.
|
| 02:29:51 | That's why mom is proud of me.
|
| 02:29:53 | She thought felt like that came
right out of "perry mason,"
david boies's handbook.
|
| 02:30:00 | >> To more trivial matters, back
to prop 8 on entertainment,
where do we stand on prop 8?
|
| 02:30:07 | >> We argued it in the court of
appeals and won it in the
district court where we're now
waiting for a court of appeals
decision, which will come
sometime next year.
|
| 02:30:16 | Maybe the united states supreme
court.
|
| 02:30:18 | >> Are you optimistic?
|
| 02:30:20 | >> I'm optimistic.
|
| 02:30:22 | I thought the argument very
well.
|
| 02:30:24 | Frankly, the fact of the matter
is the trial record is so strong
for us, I think it's very very
hard to overturn that.
|
| 02:30:32 | A very carefully researched
opinion.
|
| 02:30:34 | At the end of the day, there is
just no harm to anybody in
allowing gays and lesbians to
marry.
|
| 02:30:41 | There's severe harm and
everybody admits it, even the
defendants admit it, severe harm
to gays and lesbians and the
children they're raising, no
counter veiling benefit on the
othede.
|
| 02:30:54 | It's just a label, a bumper
sticker.
|
| 02:30:56 | Marriage is between a man and a
woman.
|
| 02:31:01 | They haven't come forward with a
single substantive argument to
support it.
|
| 02:31:05 | I think that's important in the
courts.
|
| 02:31:08 | >> The fight goes on, not only
prop 8, but sex --
>> sex you can believe in.
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| 02:31:15 | >> Thanks very much.
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| 02:35:23 | >>> Welcome back to "morning
"
36 in the
morning, of new york city on a
friday.
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| 02:35:30 | Senate republicans, bigger story
in new york city have blocked a
bill that would have provided
medical benefits and
compensation to emergency
workers who got sick after
working at ground zero after the
attacks of 9/11.
|
| 02:35:42 | Republicans raised a number of
objections to the bill including
4 billion price tag was
too high and taxes in the
measure would hurt job creation.
|
| 02:35:52 | As we've been talking about all
morning, republican members said
they will not vote for any deal
before they get a vote on tax
cuts.
|
| 02:36:02 | New york senator gillibrand and
chuck schumer argue they need to
help those who put their lives
AT RISK AFTER SEPTEMBER 11th.
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| 02:36:09 | >> This was a vote where
politics was put above people,
one of those cynical votes in
washington that comes down to
the very fact people were too
concerned about tax breaks for
millionaires and billionaires to
do what's right.
|
| 02:36:28 | This was a clear vote of right
versus wrong, why we are called
to represent our constituents.
|
| 02:36:33 | >> This is a sad day for
america.
|
| 02:36:41 | There should not be political
considerations.
|
| 02:36:43 | From our colleagues on the other
side of the ailsz, we have heard
excuse after excuse.
|
| 02:36:48 | Because this cause is so
important, we will keep fighting
and fighting.
|
| 02:36:52 | >> New york city mayor michael
bloomberg also saying today's
failed vote in the senate is a
devastating indictment of
washington politics, a tragic
example of partisan politics
trumping patriotism.
|
| 02:37:06 | Donny deutche, this seemed like
an easy one, republicans saying
it cost too much.
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| 02:37:11 | $7.4 Billion.
|
| 02:37:13 | >> I'd like to hear from john
BOEHNER AND mitch McConnell.
|
| 02:37:17 | How as human beings do you argue
that?
|
| 02:37:21 | How do you look at the camera or
look at anybody and say, no, i
don't think we should help those
folks out.
|
| 02:37:28 | I know you're not on that side,
as an intellect, help me with
the human argument.
|
| 02:37:35 | >> Here's what I found working
in close quarters with
republicans.
|
| 02:37:39 | Many of them actually believe
what they say still
still -- philosphically, we're
spend doing much money.
|
| 02:37:48 | When you come to them with
spending money, they will say,
we're spending too much money.
|
| 02:37:54 | >> We agree.
|
| 02:37:54 | republican,
these are the people that ran
into the buildings, we probably
maybe should make sure they're
okay.
|
| 02:38:01 | I don't want to spend either.
|
| 02:38:03 | How do you argue?
|
| 02:38:05 | >> They also think this is a
small issue that will disappear
quickly, the way they look at
it.
|
| 02:38:11 | >> Pat buchanan, you want to
look at this?
|
| 02:38:14 | >> Certainly.
|
| 02:38:15 | New york city and new york state
are the richest jurisdictions in
america.
|
| 02:38:18 | They should have paid already.
|
| 02:38:20 | I assume they have.
|
| 02:38:21 | If this is an add-on, democrats
should get the tax cuts out of
the way, reduce the price of it
and then pay for it and I think
you'll get it done.
|
| 02:38:29 | >> I think pat's right about
that.
|
| 02:38:31 | >> 57-42 Was the vote against
this.
|
| 02:38:38 | The droga bill, the new york
city police officer who died
five years after rushing into
the building.
|
| 02:38:46 | >>> Up next, laurie david said
many of today's problems can be
solved with two words, family
dinner.
|
| 02:38:52 | I will try that one sometime.
|
| 02:38:56 | >> That's next.
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| 02:39:30 | ]
love
musician
but I knew that I was going to need a day
job.
|
| 02:39:33 | We actually have a lot of scientists that
play music.
|
| 02:39:35 | The creativity, the innovation, there's definitely
a tie there.
|
| 02:39:39 | One thing our scientists are working on
is carbon capture and storage,
which could prevent co2 from entering the
atmosphere.
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how we can safely freeze out the co2 from
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with fewer emissions.
|
| 02:42:18 | >>> Donny doing push-ups.
|
| 02:42:21 | >> I can do it now if you'd
like.
|
| 02:42:24 | >> No.
|
| 02:42:24 | We have the academy award
winning documentary of truth and
author of "the family dinner,
great ways to connect with your
kids, one meal at a time.
|
| 02:42:34 | Good to see you.
|
| 02:42:35 | >> Great to be here.
|
| 02:42:36 | I don't think there's enough men
at this table.
|
| 02:42:39 | >> Good to have you here.
|
| 02:42:40 | >> And then there's lawrence.
|
| 02:42:42 | >> Oh, oh --
>> we're talking the family
dinner.
|
| 02:42:46 | The government can do all they
want, working on education those
eight hours a day but it's what
happens at the dinner table
changes it all.
|
| 02:42:58 | >> They've done a ton of
research on family dinner and
everything you do as parent can
be improved by sitting down at
regular meals.
|
| 02:43:04 | If you're worried about alcohol
and self esteem and alcohol, all
those things can be accomplished
if you sit down to regular
meals.
|
| 02:43:14 | My book is to get so many great
ideas how to make dinner fun and
great food to eat at the table,
everyone will start doing this
ritual again.
|
| 02:43:21 | >> Give us ideas?
|
| 02:43:23 | For example, participation food.
|
| 02:43:25 | If you're sitting at the table
and everyone gets to participate
a little in what you're eating,
they will participate more.
|
| 02:43:37 | >> That's the only time of the
ga with my two girls, actually
everything, eye-to-eye, forced
communication.
|
| 02:43:46 | >> If we're not stopping and
rushing to dinner, what are we
rushing to?
|
| 02:43:49 | What else are we doing with our
family, purposesly being a
family at the same time other
than sleeping in the course of a
day.
|
| 02:43:58 | If you're not doing meals,
you're missing out on the
greatest opportunity you have to
enrich yourselves more than what
you're eating, but connecting to
each other and seeing how
everyone is feeling and behaving
and being a family.
|
| 02:44:10 | >> One of the tools you have at
a family dinner, I have little
ones, how was school today?
|
| 02:44:17 | Fine.
|
| 02:44:17 | >> Don't do that.
|
| 02:44:18 | >> How do you get it going.
|
| 02:44:20 | >> I have a great chapter on
conversation starts.
|
| 02:44:22 | Everything I've done in my haas
the past decade is in this book.
|
| 02:44:27 | We do games, verbal games.
|
| 02:44:29 | One question is all you need to
get the conversation going in a
different direction.
|
| 02:44:33 | This would be a great game to
play right now, I know we don't
have time.
|
| 02:44:37 | Everybody go around the table
and say one idiosyncracy you
have and one pet peeve you have.
|
| 02:44:43 | >> Donny's --
>> I'm not wearing --
>> no phones and no tv.
|
| 02:44:50 | We run up against technology
with our family.
|
| 02:44:52 | >> We have to talk about this.
|
| 02:44:54 | This is tearing families apart.
|
| 02:44:56 | I have teenagers, I am living
through this and brutal what's
going on.
|
| 02:45:00 | Kids are spending 7 1/2 hours a
day on some form of a screen and
that does not include texting.
|
| 02:45:06 | That's the thing they're doing
the most.
|
| 02:45:08 | This is insane.
|
| 02:45:09 | No screens at the table.
|
| 02:45:11 | Kids need a break from it and
parents need a break from it.
|
| 02:45:13 | >> At your table, when it's time
for the pet peeve, the father of
your children is the king of the
pet peeve.
|
| 02:45:20 | >> This is why this game was so
successful.
|
| 02:45:26 | >> When he starts with the pet
peeve, does anybody else ever
get a word in?
|
| 02:45:31 | >> He made a living at it.
|
| 02:45:33 | We can play this game and do ten
rounds of this game at our
dinner table.
|
| 02:45:38 | >> Define family.
|
| 02:45:40 | >> A family is whoever you share
your meal with.
|
| 02:45:43 | If not your kids, you're single
out in the world, your
co-workers, you should be having
meals and sharing it with them
and having home cooked food.
|
| 02:45:53 | Obesity is an enormous problem,
not a coincidence that with the
fall of family dinner, decline,
we had an epidemic of obesity
and diabetes.
|
| 02:46:05 | We need to get back to home
cooked food.
|
| 02:46:08 | We doubled our spending in
takeout food.
|
| 02:46:10 | Any time you eat out, you don't
know what you're eating, you're
getting more sugar, more fat,
more salt.
|
| 02:46:17 | All part of this thing, the
benefits, we all have to eat,
right, we might as well be doing
it well and getting all the
great benefits from it.
|
| 02:46:26 | >> I have a question we can
start with rather than your
idiosyncracy, and --
>> or who do you love?
|
| 02:46:37 | >> A terrible idea, mike
barnicle.
|
| 02:46:40 | This is a great idea and
actually crucial to the future
of the country.
|
| 02:46:44 | Well done and thanks for writing
the book.
|
| 02:46:47 | Laurie david, the book is "the
"
have fun at the dinner table.
|
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| 02:50:34 | >>> We fought long and hard
about the most important stories
of the week.
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| 02:50:38 | I'm afraid, this was the best we
could do.
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| 02:50:40 | >> I'm sick.
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| 02:50:41 | >> Do you want to get better?
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| 02:50:43 | >> Who are you?
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| 02:50:44 | >> No.
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| 02:50:46 | "
>> at number three, mel and the
beaver.
|
| 02:50:53 | >> Gee whiz.
|
| 02:50:54 | >> Not that beaver, this beaver.
|
| 02:50:56 | >> It's the future.
|
| 02:50:58 | >> The last we heard from mel
gibson, he was sweet talking the
mother of his child.
|
| 02:51:04 | [ Bleep ]
gibson was joined this week in
his return to the public eye by
a fury beaver puppet.
|
| 02:51:10 | >> Good morning all.
|
| 02:51:11 | >> As of now, waldo is resigning
and putting me in charge.
|
| 02:51:15 | >> The release of the trailer
for gibson's upcoming film, "the
beaver," was step one of the
hollywood classic comeback that
almost always begins with a
beaver puppet.
|
| 02:51:25 | >> This is a joke, right?
|
| 02:51:27 | >> No, son, it's a fresh start.
|
| 02:51:29 | >> At number two, another
jarring reminder this week of
the dangers of smoking.
|
| 02:51:35 | While repairing your lawn mower
in the bedroom.
|
| 02:51:41 | joseph,
missouri, say a home burned down
when the residents fired up a
cigarette while tuning up a
gassy old lawn mower in his
bedroom.
|
| 02:51:54 | The man and his wife escaped
injury, but the home and t
lawn mower were lost.
|
| 02:52:02 | >>> The number one story of the
week.
|
| 02:52:04 | >> It's tempting not to
negotiate with hostage takers
unless the hostage gets harmed.
|
| 02:52:11 | >> Hostage crisis.
|
| 02:52:12 | >> The republicans are holding
hostage --
>> they're being held hostage.
|
| 02:52:17 | >> Middle class taxes, hostage.
|
| 02:52:21 | >> President obama heroically
freed the hostages this week by
agreeing to a compromise with
republicans on an extension of
the bush tax cuts.
|
| 02:52:30 | HIS NEW BFFs ON THE RIGHT,
Applauded their buddy, barry.
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