| 00:00:00 | Whose 6-year-old
daughter was shot and killed.
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| 00:00:03 | Jim, again our condolences.
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| 00:00:05 | As we speak again, are you not
going to be able to rest until
this man is is caught/captured?
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| 00:00:11 | >> Yeah, thank you, first of
all, for letting me talk about
my daughter and, yeah, I mean
paul is ruthless and diabolical.
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| 00:00:19 | He's already proven that he's
completely dangerous and, you
know, we're not getting a lot of
sleep until, you know, he's
caught or killed.
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| 00:00:28 | >> Jim, I've got to ask you
while we have you here.
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| 00:00:31 | How are you holding up?
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| 00:00:33 | Here it is you and I speaking
again a few days later.
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| 00:00:36 | It's not getting any easier, is
it?
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| 00:00:39 | >> No, sir, not at all.
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| 00:00:40 | It's -- it's still surreal but
the reality is still sinking in
and especially my wife losing
her daughter and her mother in
the same day.
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| 00:00:51 | She's having a really hard time.
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| 00:00:53 | >> I'm sure.
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| 00:00:55 | Again, jim, our thoughts and are
with you and your and family to
stay strong during this
unimaginable grief right now.
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| 00:01:06 | Let's talk about paul michael
marriage, the man on the loose.
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| 00:01:09 | Any leads where he might be?
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| 00:01:10 | >> Lots of leads thankfully have
been called in from the public
and the jupiter police
marshal
service is following up on each
and every one.
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| 00:01:21 | Adding him to their top 15 most
wanted is is also a great thing
for this case because it
provides this case with more
resources across the board, it
provides it with more national
exposure and gets it out there
into the marshals' offices.
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| 00:01:36 | If this is any test for instance
for the last guy added to the
list, como, from texas, he was
napped within a couple of days.
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| 00:01:45 | We hope for the same success.
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| 00:01:47 | The marshals work extremely hard
and together and with local
officials across the board.
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| 00:01:54 | We are asking anyone with
information to contact your
local marshal's office to be
able to provide them
information.
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| 00:01:58 | >> Don clark, how do
investigator go about finding
this guy?
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| 00:02:02 | Again, armed and dangerous and
he's already killed and killed
family members.
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| 00:02:05 | >> Well, he has already killed
and jennifer hit it on the head,
the idea is getting these
entities together, getting all
the information together and
getting it out to certain law
enforcement areas.
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| 00:02:16 | Also, they've got to sift
through and figure out what can
they let out to the public
without exposing their positions
along the way.
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| 00:02:24 | They have a couple tack cal
areas they will go, one towards
the public and the other with
strictly law enforcement to get
this guy off the streets, mike.
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| 00:02:33 | >> Okay, don.
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| 00:02:34 | Very serious criminal on the
u.s. marshals' top 15 list.
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| 00:02:39 | What does that mean you to that,
he's likely to strike again?
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| 00:02:42 | >> Well, I don't think so in
this particular guy's case and
I've just been able to look at a
little bit of information about
this guy.
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| 00:02:51 | I don't see anything that would
lead that direction.
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| 00:02:54 | Usually the history of the
individual would say what --
would determine whether one
might say, hey, that guy is
going to hit again.
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| 00:03:00 | This looked like a very special
and terrible incident that he
got involved in with the family
there that he took on with the
family because the family was
perfectly innocent in this
thing, from all the information
that I get.
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| 00:03:11 | So, I don't think that that's
necessarily the case that this
particular person will kill
again.
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| 00:03:16 | But, the reality is that they've
got to catch him now for all the
trouble that he has caused to
his family and everything else.
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| 00:03:22 | >> Right.
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| 00:03:23 | What is definitely concerning,
despite -- besides the fact he's
already killed, he bought a
high-powered rifle with a bipod,
which may say more could come.
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| 00:03:33 | We'll talk about that and more
to jim just if he saw anything,
noticed anything about this man.
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| 00:03:39 | We all ask why, we'll talk about
motive, as well and take your
calls.
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| 00:03:43 | The number, 1-877-tell-hln.
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| 00:06:07 | >>> Welcome back to "prime news"
on hln, continuing our
conversation a serial killer on
the loose.
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| 00:06:13 | He was having thanksgiving
dinner, invited to join the
family for dinner.
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| 00:06:17 | He leaves and comes back and
guns down six family members,
four shot and killed, two
survived.
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| 00:06:25 | We're taking your calls,
1-877-tell-hln.
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| 00:06:28 | Jim sitton is with us, the
father of one of the victims,
his 6-year-old daughter was shot
while she slept.
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| 00:06:36 | I -- it's hard to even put that
into words, jim.
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| 00:06:39 | I'm sure we can't even imagine
what you are going through but
thanks again as you join us and
lend insight into this.
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| 00:06:45 | I'm sure you're asking why.
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| 00:06:46 | As you look at this, did he tip
himself off at all, did he say
or do anything that would make
you suspicious that night.
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| 00:06:53 | >> No, at the dinner table he
sat just a couple people away
from me and we talked and joked
around, talked about football.
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| 00:07:00 | There was no arguments or we
weren't talking about politics
or religion it was just family
nice thanksgiving dinner.
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| 00:07:13 | >> Had he been in contact with
the family or like a reunion and
he was invited and kind of
unexpectedly.
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| 00:07:20 | >> I met paul maybe 15 years ago
and haven't seem him in about 10
years.
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| 00:07:28 | >> You and I have talked about
it, he had a resentment toward
family members.
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| 00:07:33 | Did he have resentment towards
his twin sisters, his aunt, your
little girl?
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| 00:07:38 | >> Well, first of all, these are
in-laws of mine.
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| 00:07:41 | >> Okay.
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| 00:07:41 | >> So, I wasn't really in with
all of the family politics.
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| 00:07:46 | But, it seems to me that he
harmed his sisters out of
jealousy and to hurt his mother
and father.
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| 00:07:58 | >> Okay.
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| 00:07:58 | Are you fearful he will strike
again, jim?
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| 00:08:03 | >> At this point, I mean, he's
already proven that he's evil
and that, I mean, I've never
heard of anyone going in and
executing a little girl in her
sleep.
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| 00:08:15 | >> I know it.
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| 00:08:15 | >> So, if he can do that, he can
do anything but he's not sick.
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| 00:08:22 | He's violent.
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| 00:08:23 | He's not mental.
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| 00:08:24 | He's evil.
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| 00:08:25 | And, I mean, he premeditated
this.
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| 00:08:28 | He planned everything down to
the smallest detail and he knows
it's wrong because he's hiding.
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| 00:08:36 | So, you know, he's a murderer
and he's evil.
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| 00:08:41 | >> You've laid it out there,
jim.
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| 00:08:44 | You've laid it out there, the
truth of the matter.
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| 00:08:46 | Michelle, looking at video of
him at a gun shop.
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| 00:08:48 | I mentioned the high-powered
rifle with the bipod.
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| 00:08:53 | What else did he buy here?
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| 00:08:54 | >> We know he did, in fact, make
purchases before the
thanksgiving shooting.
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| 00:08:58 | That particular video you are
looking at on your screen right
now is how -- happened the day
before, thanksgiving day, that
wednesday.
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| 00:09:06 | Investigators aren't saying for
sure exactly what he bought
inside of there but are
releasing some of the gun
details, as to what he may have
on his person right now.
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| 00:09:15 | So, that is something to take
into consideration that this
man, investigators do believe is
is armed and dangerous and also
what investigators are doing
throughout the last two weeks,
mike, is, as the days go on,
they release something new,
which I think is great, they
release a new picture.
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| 00:09:32 | They release new video, a new
bit of information and add him
marshals' top 15
most wanted so this is a great
tactic to be able to keep paul
merhige into the public, his
face out there where the leads
will come in.
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| 00:09:45 | >> That's so important.
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| 00:09:46 | Guys, we have to leave it there.
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| 00:09:48 | Don, michelle and jim, thank you
again for your time.
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| 00:09:51 | We'll keep following this story.
|
| 00:09:52 | How about this one, here's a
situation man loses his job
can't pay his bills now the debt
collectors are breathing down
his neck calling and harassing.
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| 00:10:01 | Some just abusive,
cussing threatening people.
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| 00:10:05 | Now a woman is saying the stress
led to her husband's death.
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| 00:12:47 | >>> Welcome back to "prime news"
on hln.
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| 00:12:49 | It is bad enough to lose your
job, worried sick, you can't pay
the bills then have the debt
collectors calling and
harassing.
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| 00:12:56 | We hope you didn't know that
feeling but many do.
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| 00:12:59 | These debt collectors are
getting downright abusive,
THREATENING, CUSSing PEOPLE OUT
Over the phone.
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| 00:13:06 | One woman says it got so bad it
literally killed her husband.
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| 00:13:14 | >> Reporter: Here's how debt
collectors are supposed to treat
you on the inform.
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| 00:13:18 | >> I wanted to inform you and am
obligated to inform you this is
an attempt to collect a debt.
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| 00:13:23 | >> Reporter: This is how they're
not.
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| 00:13:31 | diane McCloud says the call is
one of hundreds he got before he
died of heart failure.
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| 00:13:36 | How many phone calls a day would
you get?
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| 00:13:39 | >> Six, seven.
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| 00:13:40 | There might have been more.
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| 00:13:42 | >> She's now suing greentree
servicing, llc using harassing
tactics that broke florida law
and she claims led to her
husband's death.
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| 00:13:51 | >> The stress just built up with
him.
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| 00:13:53 | He had trouble sleeping.
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| 00:13:54 | Not eating well.
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| 00:13:56 | The stress was getting worse and
worse for him.
|
| 00:14:00 | >> Lanny: The company's general
counsel told cnn, quote:
After a heart attack and
continuing heart problems, he
went on disability in 2002.
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| 00:14:22 | They felt behind about three
months on their moirnlg
payments.
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| 00:14:25 | The calls began.
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| 00:14:26 | This one after explaining to the
collector he had been life
flighted to the hospital.
|
| 00:14:31 | >> Why didn't you have that hept
copter bring you up a bring that
thing into the office?
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| 00:14:35 | >> Reporter: Scare tactics
charges their attorney, billy
howard.
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| 00:14:38 | >> That's how these mafia-like
tactics result in so much money.
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| 00:14:45 | People are scared.
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| 00:14:45 | >> Reporter: Howard says this is
not an isolated incident.
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| 00:14:48 | He's got hundreds of cases
involving other clients.
|
| 00:14:51 | Now, how would you feel if you
got a call like this:
>> When I see you, I'm going to
[ bleep ] you up.
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| 00:14:59 | I want my money and I want it
now.
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| 00:15:01 | >> Reporter: Or this one.
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| 00:15:03 | >> You haven't herd the last of
me and if it takes me a year,
takes me two, believe me, I will
find you.
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| 00:15:11 | >> We want them gone.
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| 00:15:13 | We want all of them gone.
|
| 00:15:14 | >> Reporter: She run as debt
collection agency.
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| 00:15:16 | She says collectors breaking the
law should be prosecuted.
|
| 00:15:19 | >> Sometimes the industry is
penalized for a few bad apples
and we try very hard.
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| 00:15:24 | I know here at our firm, we
absolutely make sure that we're
in compliance.
|
| 00:15:30 | >> Reporter: With the recession
the number of people in debt has
gone up, so has the number of
complaints against debt
collection agencies.
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| 00:15:38 | According to the federal trade
commission between january and
june of this year, they received
45,000 complaints.
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| 00:15:44 | That's up more than 20% over the
same period last year.
|
| 00:15:48 | But, the ftc has only one case
pending, referring most
complaints to the states for
legal actions to protect
consumers.
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| 00:15:56 | Attorneys say if you get
harassing messages, do what he
did, save the tapes.
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| 00:16:05 | >> Good advice there.
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| 00:16:07 | We're taking your calls and want
to hear your stories, your
questions about this.
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| 00:16:10 | We have our experts standing by.
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| 00:16:12 | Joining us to talk about this --
author of "generation debt"
staff writer at fast company
magazine for advice here.
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| 00:16:21 | Also with us michelle gollin,
clinical psychologist as we try
and manage the stress money can
be such a stress and such a load
on so many of us.
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| 00:16:32 | I want to start with you, if
people are getting these
harassing phone calls where it's
causing that stress, what rights
do people have?
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| 00:16:40 | What can they do?
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| 00:16:41 | >> It's really important to
remember the fair debt
collection practices act governs
all of the options you do have.
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| 00:16:47 | These collectors, they are not
allowed to use abusive or
profane language, clearly
violations we heard in those
tapes.
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| 00:16:54 | They are not allowed to contact
you late at night or early in
the morning or to call your
neighbors or to call you at
work.
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| 00:17:00 | It's very important you know all
of your rights as these go
forward and not allow yourself
to be persecuted by these calls.
|
| 00:17:09 | >> You have your rights
violated, what do you do,
cussing you out or calling your
neighbors, what recourse do you
have?
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| 00:17:17 | >> You can file a complaint, as
mentioned or request they
contact your attorney and only
your attorney and if they do not
send you a written verification
of the debt you are not
obligated to answer any of their
calls and seize to answer their
calls and put them through the
attorney if you are table to
retain one.
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| 00:17:33 | >> Let's bring in michelle on
this.
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| 00:17:37 | We heard the stories of the
McLEODS, VERY SAD STORY.
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| 00:17:44 | How bad can the stress be?
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| 00:17:47 | >> It causes so much anxiety on
the individual, the couple, the
family.
|
| 00:17:53 | What you are dealing with on
that level -- people have
committed sue site on these
issues it is really about
anxiety and stress and
hopelessness these harassing
phone calls especially the
really scary, scary ones can
take you down that road of
hopelessness quicker, very
dangerous.
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| 00:18:14 | >> What do we do?
|
| 00:18:15 | It can be daunting, you are not
sure when you'll get more money
and be able to pay that bill.
|
| 00:18:21 | How do you maintain calm and not
panic?
|
| 00:18:23 | >> You know, again, I think what
you have to do is try to sit
down as a -- as a team if you're
a couple and look at what your
bills are and try to really look
at what is the most important
thing to focus on and to pay and
work towards that.
|
| 00:18:41 | And do that as a team because
what can often happen within the
couple the stress can make, you
know, go in on each other.
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| 00:18:48 | What you need to do is really be
calm and -- and lean on family,
lean on friends and each other.
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| 00:18:54 | >> Work together on this.
|
| 00:18:57 | >> Why.
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| 00:18:57 | >> We'll take a break in a
second.
|
| 00:19:00 | Anya, are you seeing a lot of
cases like this where people are
being harassed and violations
are mounting at collectors use
these ruthless tactics?
|
| 00:19:08 | >> I think people are getting
incredibly desperate.
|
| 00:19:12 | We see the bankruptcy rate has
spibed.
|
| 00:19:15 | The reason they call you is they
know that's how they'll get
their money.
|
| 00:19:20 | >> We want to hear your story
and what's going on with you.
|
| 00:19:23 | If you are a little behind are
you getting those calls and is
it over the edge?
|
| 00:19:27 | Are violations happening and you
wonder what to do?
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| 00:19:30 | Call in, love to hear from you.
|
| 00:19:32 | 1-877-Tell-hln's the phone
number.
|
| 00:22:06 | >>> You haven't heard the last
of me.
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| 00:22:08 | And if it takes me a year, takes
me two, believe me, I will find
you.
|
| 00:22:14 | >> Imagine getting a call like
that as companies trying to
collect a debt.
|
| 00:22:18 | That's what we hear is happening
and happening more as some folks
are getting behind in their
bills.
|
| 00:22:23 | We're taking your calls and want
to hear your stories,
1-877-tell-hln.
|
| 00:22:26 | Arthur with us from ohio.
|
| 00:22:28 | What's your story here?
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| 00:22:29 | >> Caller: Mike, I have a really
simple and very easy phone
number and sometimes I'll
receive as many as two dozen
bill collectors calling my
phone.
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| 00:22:39 | So, I've left a really cute
little message for them that if
they will leave me their phone
number and a time that they're
going to sit down to eat with a
loved one or sit down to have a
romatime with a loved one
be sure to leave a message and
I'll call them back.
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| 00:23:00 | >> Good luck fighting that one.
|
| 00:23:04 | Hi, gloria.
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| 00:23:05 | >> Caller: Hello.
|
| 00:23:06 | >> Comment, question here?
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| 00:23:07 | >> Caller: Comment.
|
| 00:23:08 | We have been, for three years,
getting calls from various bill
collecting agencies for a guy
that we don't even know who he
is.
|
| 00:23:17 | I have been cussed out, they
have threatened my paycheck.
|
| 00:23:21 | They have threatened to send
someone to my house.
|
| 00:23:24 | When we track down the number, i
call back asking for a
supervisor and tell them what
the story is, that we don't know
this guy, anything.
|
| 00:23:35 | To please get our number off
and, yet, we still keep getting
them.
|
| 00:23:41 | Currently I'm getting about
three hang-ups a day.
|
| 00:23:43 | >> Hopefully you haven't given
them any information, no address
or anything like that.
|
| 00:23:49 | Anya, we hear that, too, they
get locked in on a number and
not even the person they are
looking for.
|
| 00:23:55 | How do you get that erased and
away from these collectors?
|
| 00:24:00 | >> You have es these third party
collectors basically a call
center type of setup, paid
hourly wages to makes a many
calls as possible.
|
| 00:24:08 | It's not the same person calling
again and again, just your
number is on some database.
|
| 00:24:13 | Buzz course of action there to
get something in writing, send a
certified letter to the agency
responsible for those calls so
you get a guaranteed return on
that letter clarifying the
situation so you have a record
of what's going on.
|
| 00:24:25 | >> Here's a facebook from kelly,
writing this, we behind on a
leased car payment and one
called our next door neighbors
and told them while they asked
all kinds of questions about us.
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| 00:24:39 | I was furious, they were brand
new neighbors and we hasn't even
met them yet.
|
| 00:24:43 | That's illegal, right, you laid
that out, a violation, they
can't get ahold of your
neighbors right?
|
| 00:24:49 | >> They can find your neighbors
one time to find out where you
are but cannot necessarily share
why they are calling or multiple
times is that is a violation.
|
| 00:25:02 | >> As people get these calls it
mounts, doesn't imt, one call
after another begins to grate on
people, right in.
|
| 00:25:10 | >> It becomes a pressure cooker
of them and again triggers that
feeling of hopelessness and
helplessness, what I would
really encourage people to do in
these situations, reach out in
their community, find assistance
in some way, through their
church or synagogue, I mean
support to get them back on
their feet, a very difficult
time.
|
| 00:25:38 | >> Thanks.
|
| 00:25:39 | We'll keep following this and
try and get folks some relief
out there.
|
| 00:25:43 | Coming up, you might remember
tim donaghy, very good referee.
|
| 00:25:48 | He lost it all because he
decided to gamble on games.
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| 00:25:51 | He's joining us, coming up.
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| 00:28:04 | >>> Welcome back to "prime news"
on hln, an ambulance called to
tiger woods home again, his
mother-in-law rushed to the
hospital early this morning with
stomach pain, thankfully is
okay, back home.
|
| 00:28:16 | New information from a witness
that says tiger may have been
drinking the day of his accident
and also had prescriptions
vicodin, ambien, what could this
means for the golf pro?
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| 00:28:28 | We'll take your calls on that,
1-877-tell-hln.
|
| 00:28:30 | All right, now this story.
|
| 00:28:32 | You know, you talk about living
a dream, tim donaghy certainly
was doing that.
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| 00:28:45 | Lost it all, started gambling on
nba games some he even
reffed himself.
|
| 00:28:51 | Next you know he's hooked up
with the mob gets caught
gambling, ends up in jail and
wife leaves him talk about a
fall from grace the he joins us
now author of the new book
telling his story "personal
foul" a first-person account of
the scandal that rocked the nba.
|
| 00:29:08 | Tim, thanks for joining us.
|
| 00:29:10 | You and I spoke during the break
and we hope someone will hear
your story and not take that
step or try and get away with
something and cross a line deep
down they know that they
shouldn't.
|
| 00:29:20 | Let me ask you that as we talk
about your story, do you ever
have those moments it is surreal
and wonder did I really make
those decisions to create this
mess?
|
| 00:29:30 | >> Sure.
|
| 00:29:30 | In fact, today I was just
talking with some people at the
vti group and it's like I put my
head on the pillow every night
and wonder what I have done and
I'm hoping to wake up in the
morning and it was just a
nightmare.
|
| 00:29:46 | But, unfortunately, it's not,
it's reality.
|
| 00:29:48 | >> No, you are living it.
|
| 00:29:49 | I mean, you look, I think one of
the first questions is why risk
it all?
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| 00:29:53 | You had a great life.
|
| 00:29:55 | >> I had a super life, but
unfortunately when you suffer
from an addiction, you do things
that you rationally know are
wrong and, unfortunately because
you suffer from something, it's
not until after the fact that
you're caught that you wonder
how and why you got involved in
it.
|
| 00:30:16 | >> You are a gambling addict and
started, with, what, gambling on
golf games, poker, things like
that?
|
| 00:30:23 | >> Golf, poker, casinos,
basically anything and
everything you could place a bet
on.
|
| 00:30:27 | >> Okay.
|
| 00:30:28 | What made you cross the line and
gamble on nba games?
|
| 00:30:33 | >> I think that the reason i
actually crossed that line is
because, to me, it was
predictable and it was something
that I was easily able to make
winning pickson.
|
| 00:30:46 | >> Okay.
|
| 00:30:46 | When you did cross that line,
was there -- did you know you
were crossing a chasm, jumping
the grand canyon here or did you
even think twice about it?
|
| 00:30:55 | >> No, I mean, obviously, I knew
that I was doing something that
was wrong but, you know, it's
just something they probably
thought I wasn't going to be
caught.
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| 00:31:04 | >> Wow.
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| 00:31:05 | All right.
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| 00:31:05 | Tell us how it went down here.
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| 00:31:07 | Some don't know the story.
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| 00:31:09 | You basically you have inside
information, you are an nba
referee and kind of get wind or
you figure out after time you've
been refusing, what 13 years.
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| 00:31:18 | >> Yeah.
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| 00:31:19 | >> You know which calls are
going which way.
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| 00:31:21 | You believe that, right?
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| 00:31:22 | Give us an example so we all
have an understanding here.
|
| 00:31:24 | >> I think when you talk about
ref vees in the nba, there's
relationships there, there's
positive relationships and
negative relationships and
unfortunately, I used the
knowledge of those relationships
to place winning bets on nba
contests based on the point
spread.
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| 00:31:39 | >> So, when you say
"relationships" talking about a
referee and player, say the
player teed off a ref.
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| 00:31:45 | So, you kind of have an idea the
next game, that referee is
probably not going to give him a
call, right?
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| 00:31:51 | >> Not only that.
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| 00:31:51 | That's a negative relationship.
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| 00:31:53 | But, there's also a positive
relationships, to where people
were in contact with owners or
players or coaches and -- and
even situations where referees
would, you know, basically kiss
a player prior to the beginning
of the game at the captain's
meeting.
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| 00:32:09 | >> On that side, you knew, hey,
I'm going to place a bet on that
team.
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| 00:32:13 | >> Sure.
|
| 00:32:13 | >> Things might go their way,
right?
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| 00:32:17 | >> Okay.
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| 00:32:17 | Give us a specific example.
|
| 00:32:18 | I know you've told the story and
let's illuminate it for our
viewers, allen iverson, back
WITH THE 6ers, BY THE WAY,
Fiesty player, threatened a
referee and was fined and what
happens.
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| 00:32:34 | >> I think the staff becomes in
an uproar he threatened to harm
one of the referees and was only
fined $25,000 instead of being
suspended.
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| 00:32:43 | So, basically some of the
referees got together and
decided to do some justice of
our own and strictly enforce
palming violations and marge jal
plays he usually received while
going to the basket, we decided
we were going to pass on them.
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| 00:32:59 | >> So, in this case, you bet
against him because he's not
going to get any breaks, right?
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| 00:33:05 | >> Correct.
|
| 00:33:05 | >> Let me read the statement
from nba commissioner david
stern, just to get their side
out there.
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| 00:33:11 | This is in an interview --
concerning your interview with
"60 minutes" talking about some
of the same topics here, tim
donaghy repeated his allegations
against former colleagues, nba
referees, as well as the nba.
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| 00:33:25 | Those allegations have been
fully investigated by the fbi
attorney's office
and the government completed its
investigation finding the only
criminal conduct was that of mr.
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| 00:33:39 | Donaghy.
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| 00:33:43 | pedowitz' review revealed
that the nba's core of values,
neutrality and atability were
not compromised by anyone other
than mr. donaghy.
|
| 00:33:57 | Any comment as you hear that
statement, tim?
|
| 00:33:59 | You know the nba is obviously at
odds with you as you begin to
tell your story.
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| 00:34:03 | >> Sure.
|
| 00:34:03 | That's understandable.
|
| 00:34:04 | They have a billion dollar
organization to protect.
|
| 00:34:07 | I would just revert back to the
fbi and their investigation to
where they understood that there
were some situations that arose
within the management system of
the nba and they advised me
that, you know, they're in
contact with them and there are
drastic steps being made to
correct those problems.
|
| 00:34:29 | So, he may want to paint me as
the rogue referee at this time.
|
| 00:34:33 | >> Rift.
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| 00:34:33 | >> But, obviously, they are
taking steps to correct some
situations that have taken
place.
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| 00:34:39 | >> Okay.
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| 00:34:39 | When we come back, we'll pick up
this story.
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| 00:34:42 | We have left it off, tim, things
going pretty well, you are
picking games, about 80% clip,
making some good money.
|
| 00:34:51 | The mob gets winds of things and
they want in.
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| 00:34:53 | That's next.
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| 00:37:31 | >>> Welcome back to "prime news"
on hln continuing our
conversation with tim donaghy,
now convicted felon, he was --
had inside information as he is
telling his story, out with a
new book called "personal foul"
basically information that
referees had it out for certain
players, may not give them calls
they should get.
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| 00:37:49 | So, he knew how to bet and
things were going good on a
betting standpoint for tim.
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| 00:37:54 | He's picking games 80% rate but
then how's the mob get involved?
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| 00:38:00 | >> What happens is, is that the
friend that I was placing bets
with and I decided that we were
going to stop, as we did
periodically from time to time.
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| 00:38:10 | And, unfortunately, I was
unaware that this information
was being passed along to people
that were associated with
organized crime and at the time
that we decided to stop, they
wanted to continue to get that
information.
|
| 00:38:24 | So, a high school friend of mine
was involved with a guy that was
involved with the gambino crime
family and they came down and
picked me up at the airport,
marriott in philadelphia one
night.
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| 00:38:37 | >> And said what?
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| 00:38:39 | >> And basically said that they
were well aware of what was
going on and that I needed to
give a certain individual my
picks for nba games, if not, it
would be possible that the nb
would find out about it or that
somebody would possibly visit my
wife and kids in florida.
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| 00:38:58 | >> Wow.
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| 00:38:59 | So, threats to the family.
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| 00:39:00 | You are going to be found out.
|
| 00:39:01 | At that point right there, did
conscience take over and say,
now's the time to go to the fbi
or did that not come into your
mind?
|
| 00:39:12 | >> No, I don't think that came
into my mind because I knew what
I had previously done crossing
that line and making the poor
choice to bet on nba games to
begin with, so I was just hoping
that this would pass quickly and
by the end of the season it
would be over with and I could
somehow retain my job.
|
| 00:39:26 | >> Not the case, though.
|
| 00:39:27 | >> No.
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| 00:39:28 | >> As we look at this, tim, we
think, okay you're betting on a
game, the mob is betting with
you.
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| 00:39:33 | Did that change your calls?
|
| 00:39:35 | A lot's on the line here and the
mob's watching, was that in the
back of your mind as you are
calling a game?
|
| 00:39:42 | >> I think it was always in the
back of my mind but, you know,
the situation was I was able to
pick these games at a highly
successful rate prior to them
getting involved and I continued
to pick them at a successful
rate.
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| 00:39:54 | And I certainly didn't want to
throw up any red flags and be
detected by making calls in gals
that were incorrect to help a
bet win.
|
| 00:40:03 | >> Okay.
|
| 00:40:04 | So, this -- as this is going on,
we find out the fbi is tracking
the mob here.
|
| 00:40:09 | >> Correct.
|
| 00:40:09 | >> And that's how you're found
out.
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| 00:40:12 | So, what was your feeling when
you know, the jig is up, fbi
knows, this is coming to an end?
|
| 00:40:18 | >> Right.
|
| 00:40:19 | I'm about ready to play a round
of golf.
|
| 00:40:22 | The season's over and I get a
call from the guy I was dealing
with who was a friend of mine
and he told me that the fbi had
visited him three times and that
he was actually involved in a
grand jury hearing.
|
| 00:40:35 | >> So, who -- at this point,
now, you -- I'm guessing you've
got to come clean with people
close to you.
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| 00:40:42 | Who was the first -- what was
the first conversation you had,
your father, a respected referee
who was so proud of his son
following in his footsteps?
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| 00:40:50 | Let's talk about that
conversation.
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| 00:40:52 | That must have devastated him.
|
| 00:40:54 | >> Certainly did.
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| 00:40:56 | And unfortunately I called to
wish him a happy father's day
and right away he detected that
in my voice something was wrong
and asked me, you know, what the
problem was and I didn't plan on
telling him at that time but it
just happened that it worked out
that way.
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| 00:41:11 | >> Was that an emotional call?
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| 00:41:13 | >> Absolutely.
|
| 00:41:14 | >> How have you explained this
to your little girls, your four
daughters?
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| 00:41:19 | >> You know, it's a situation
where I just, my wife and I sat
them down and let them know that
I made a choice and got
involved in something i
shouldn't and it was going to
cost me my job.
|
| 00:41:32 | >> A couple callers are lined
up.
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| 00:41:35 | Let's get their questions.
|
| 00:41:36 | Marty from virginia, your
question here?
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| 00:41:38 | >> Caller: Yes, I would like to
ask tiif he thinks the
outcomes of his calls in the
games would have affected the
standings in the championships
and division titles and maybe
possibly an nba title over the
years or it wouldn't have been
taken that far?
|
| 00:41:55 | >> Tim, go ahead and answer
that.
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| 00:41:58 | >> You know, again, the fbi did
a thorough investigation and
concluded that I didn't make any
calls in any games to effect the
point spread or to make sure a
certain team won.
|
| 00:42:09 | And, also, the nba did an
investigation through larry
pedowtiz and he also concluded
there was no evidence that
influenced the outcome of any
games.
|
| 00:42:20 | >> Mike from ohio, go ahead.
|
| 00:42:22 | >> Caller: Hey, how are you
doing today?
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| 00:42:24 | >> Good.
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| 00:42:24 | >> Caller: Okay, my comment is
simply as a pro wrestling fan
for years I've had arguments
with my best friends the fact
all sports somewhat seem
predetermined.
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| 00:42:38 | I think it is amazing an nba
official got caught and now
actually coming to light this
may transcend in other sports.
|
| 00:42:46 | We've seen bad calls in football
in crucial time, baseball, mma,
basketball so it's amazing
somebody actually got caught and
brings this to light.
|
| 00:42:56 | >> That is quite a theory.
|
| 00:42:58 | We'd like to think, maybe I'm a
purist, we still have clean
competition going on in the
major sports.
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| 00:43:03 | But, we -- mike's out there and
there are other theorists out
there that believe this is
shedding a light, quite a
conversation.
|
| 00:43:10 | That's for another day.
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| 00:43:12 | Tim, we appreciate your time
and, again, as you and I spoke,
we hope someone will hear your
story and not cross a line they
shouldn't and realize that a sin
will take you farther than you
ever thought you could go.
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| 00:43:23 | >> Appreciate it.
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| 00:43:24 | >> Okay.
|
| 00:43:25 | Tim.
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| 00:43:25 | We appreciate it.
|
| 00:43:27 | Coming up someone who has
admitted transgressions, tiger
woods, new drama at his house.
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| 00:43:32 | Beyond that an ambulance called
to his home early this morning,
rushing his mother-in-law to the
hospital.
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| 00:45:54 | >>> A frightening scene at tiger
woods' home in florida today,
another scene of concern, middle
,
again, this time his
mother-in-law rushed to the
hospital with stomach pain.
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| 00:46:06 | Thankfully she's been released
in good condition but again the
hour about the same
time tiger had his crash and
we're getting new details about
that today.
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| 00:46:14 | A document from the florida
highway patrol unveiling a
witness told cops tiger had been
drinking that day and he had
prescriptions for vicodin and
ambien.
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| 00:46:25 | That witness, by the way,
possibly his wife elin.
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| 00:46:28 | Does this explain why tiger wus
snoring that night as he was
pulled from the suv?
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| 00:46:34 | As always, we'll take your calls
1-877-tell-hln.
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| 00:46:37 | Your comments and questions.
|
| 00:46:39 | We welcome back tanya acker --
and carlos diaz with us again a
"
what happened here, what more
can you actual us?
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| 00:46:56 | >> We heard the 9 # 1 tape a
short time ago released to the
public and in it you hear
tiger's wife sounding very upset
in the beginning talking about
how her mother collapsed in the
bathroom but she continued to
talk to the 911 operator,
everyone seemed to calm do and
the mother seemed doing better.
|
| 00:47:13 | The paramedics were sent as a
precaution and possibly an added
precaution brought to the
hospital here all for abdominal
pain according to hospital
officials.
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| 00:47:22 | She was in good condition.
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| 00:47:24 | They released her about the
middle of the afb and she's back
at the woods' home this evening.
|
| 00:47:28 | >> Okay.
|
| 00:47:29 | Who is staying at the woods'
home right now, do you know,
david, is tiger's mother still
there?
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| 00:47:35 | Don't know?
|
| 00:47:35 | >> We don't know for sure and
the hospital is very careful to
guard everyone's privacy here.
|
| 00:47:39 | They did say that members of the
family did visit the
mother-in-law while she was in
the hospital here but would not
confirm if tiger woods was among
them or exactly who with the
family was visiting here.
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| 00:47:52 | >> I want to hit on another
thing, david, a document from
the florida highway patrolling
unvaulg, that tiger
may have been drinking, he was
on ambien, vicodin.
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| 00:48:07 | What can you tell us about that?
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| 00:48:09 | >> Reporter: This document
indicates police wanted to look
into whether or not tiger may
have been driving while
impaired, dui, when he had his
accident.
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| 00:48:21 | Because of the witness who was
probably his wife, she is not
described by name, told the
investigators officers he had
consumed alcohol earlier in the
evening, that he had
prescriptions for a sleeping aid
and a painkiller.
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| 00:48:37 | But there was no mention he had
taken those drugs.
|
| 00:48:48 | This information was taken to a
state's attorney, see if they
could get a blood test to see if
he had something in his system
that could have contributed to
the accident.
|
| 00:49:01 | The state's attorney said there
is not enough information, no
subpoena and no further
investigation.
|
| 00:49:12 | >> David mattingly.
|
| 00:49:17 | Tanya, people are saying if that
happened to me they would have
pursued it further?
|
| 00:49:23 | >> I think it is always that
issue when a celebrity gets a
different standard of justice.
|
| 00:49:30 | I don't want to jump to any
conclusions about what he had in
his system.
|
| 00:49:35 | It was thanksgiving.
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| 00:49:36 | We don't know when he consumed
alcohol, there are two systems
of justice.
|
| 00:49:41 | >> More coming up.
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| 00:52:05 | >>> Welcome back to "prime news"
on hln.
|
| 00:52:11 | Keeping you updated on tiger
woods.
|
| 00:52:14 | Elin's mom was rushed to the
hospital overnight complaining
of stomach pain.
|
| 00:52:18 | We are talking about that and
reports a document from the
florida highway patrol tiger
woods may have been drinking the
day of the accident.
|
| 00:52:31 | We are talking about
thanksgiving day, he may have
had the prescriptions ambien and
vicodin.
|
| 00:52:44 | Tanya and carlos.
|
| 00:52:45 | Let's talk about that.
|
| 00:52:46 | If that is the case you would
figure in a crash involving
property, he was driving while
impaired, I would think they
would subpoena his records.
|
| 00:52:57 | What would stop that?
|
| 00:52:58 | >> I certainly know of cases
where there have been accidents
where alcohol was involved and
even when there was no injury or
secondary victim, police
investigate.
|
| 00:53:11 | It is hard to get into the heads
of the investigators and why
they wouldn't move forward with
these records.
|
| 00:53:17 | I have to fall back on the
suggestion that he's a famous
person and a lot of people like
him.
|
| 00:53:26 | His favorables are high.
|
| 00:53:28 | Maybe that played a role.
|
| 00:53:30 | >> Look at a new cnn poll.
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| 00:53:33 | 60% Of people have a favorable
opinion of him, down from 84% in
'01.
|
| 00:53:39 | That picks up off your point.
|
| 00:53:42 | Let's bring in carlos as we talk
about what is going on with
tiger and elin.
|
| 00:53:50 | We heard she moved out.
|
| 00:53:52 | What do we know about that?
|
| 00:53:54 | >> We know there was a 911 call
from his residence and it was
elin.
|
| 00:54:00 | There were reports from swedish
painers she purchased a $2
million home in europe and could
move the kids over there.
|
| 00:54:09 | I use that tone because there
are so many stories.
|
| 00:54:13 | The one thing I can tell you,
gatorade dropped tiger.
|
| 00:54:19 | Even though they said they did
it before the controversy, the
controversy didn't help.
|
| 00:54:23 | This could be the beginning of
other companies dropping tiger.
|
| 00:54:28 | I saw an ad for accenture and
tiger in the airport.
|
| 00:54:32 | It seemed odd to see that ad and
tiger.
|
| 00:54:35 | Maybe that might come to play
with other endorse kwmts.
|
| 00:54:38 | >> We talked about that.
|
| 00:54:41 | New endorsements are not going
to come his way for quite a
while.
|
| 00:54:46 | It is because of the unseemly
details.
|
| 00:54:50 | The mistress count, I hate to
use that term.
|
| 00:54:53 | It is crass.
|
| 00:54:54 | What is it up to nine, ten?
|
| 00:54:56 | >> It is up to ten.
|
| 00:54:58 | Getting higher every day.
|
| 00:54:59 | Some of these women might not be
telling the truth.
|
| 00:55:06 | What about the women who are
saying I don't want to say
anything because I'm going to go
to tiger and say I didn't rat
you out.
|
| 00:55:13 | There you go.
|
| 00:55:14 | >> Tanya, let me get your take
real quick.
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| 00:55:18 | How much more will people have
to hear, sponsors or fans,
before they pull away from him?
|
| 00:55:23 | About 20 seconds go ahead.
|
| 00:55:25 | >> I don't think he will come
meetly lose his fan base.
|
| 00:55:30 | He is one of the greatest
golfers in the history of the
game.
|
| 00:55:34 | He will do a lot of pr.
|
| 00:55:36 | Eventually kobe bryant came
back.
|
| 00:55:38 | These guys come back.
|
| 00:55:39 | They do often find a way to
rehabilitate themselves.
|
| 00:55:42 | I think he will find a way.
|
| 00:55:45 | >> Guys, thanks again.
|
| 00:55:49 | My colleague jane velez-mitchell
00
eastern.
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| 00:58:08 | >>> A suspected serial killer is
on the loose and on the u.s.
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| 00:58:12 | Marshal's list of the top 15
most fugitive.
|
| 00:58:17 | Paul mehrige accused of taking
out family after thanksgiving
dinner.
|
| 00:58:23 | This hour, we're going to hear
from those close to the story.
|
| 00:58:29 | Again, a 6-year-old shot
multiple times and killed in her
sleep.
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| 00:58:35 | Plus tim donaghy, dream job,
making 300 grand.
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| 00:58:43 | A wife and daughter.
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| 00:58:44 | Lost it all?
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| 00:58:46 | For what?
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| 00:58:51 | Gambling.
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| 00:58:52 | He gambles on games, gets
involved in the mob and gets
convicted.
|
| 00:58:58 | That is coming up.
|
| 00:58:59 | 1-877-Tell-hln is the number.
|
| 00:59:02 | com/primenews
or text us at hlntv.
|
| 00:59:09 | Start your message with the word
prime.
|
| 00:59:10 | It is your chance to be heard.
|
| 00:59:15 | Welcome.
|
| 00:59:15 | This is hour number two of
"
I'm mike galanos, the man
accused of killing four
relatives on thanksgiving is on
the list of the 15 most wanted.
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| 00:59:34 | He killed four people, his twin
sisters, one of whom was
pregnant, 79-year-old aunt and
6-year-old cousin.
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| 00:59:44 | Cops say mehrige bought four
guns.
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| 00:59:50 | Could he strike again?
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| 00:59:51 | Take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln.
|
| 00:59:54 | Joining us to talk about it
michelle sigona, investigative
journalist, check out
michellesigona.com.
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| 01:00:05 | Fbi special agent in charge and
michelle galland.
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| 01:00:15 | Where could paul merhige be?
|
| 01:00:19 | >> He is one of the top 15 most
wanted.
|
| 01:00:24 | So many more eyes and hands and
money to take him off the
streets.
|
| 01:00:35 | As you know, mike, we have
covered a lot of cases, a person
can change the way they look.
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| 01:00:41 | They can be a chameleon, but
these are his habits.
|
| 01:00:49 | He may be a homosexual.
|
| 01:00:55 | He is known to fake or display
certain symptoms of of ocd,
frequent bathing or shaving.
|
| 01:01:08 | He displays chronic fatigue
syndrome.
|
| 01:01:13 | These are important keys.
|
| 01:01:16 | >> Don clark, how much is that
helping an investigator?
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| 01:01:17 | >> I think that is a tremendous
help to the investigator.
|
| 01:01:21 | They have the type of person
they are looking for.
|
| 01:01:24 | I want to be clear, whether or
not this guy can kill again.
|
| 01:01:28 | Of course he can kill again.
|
| 01:01:29 | When you see things like the
autdmatic weapon and so forth,
that tells me that law
enforcement has to really be
careful when they finally
approach this guy and they will.
|
| 01:01:40 | They will find this guy.
|
| 01:01:41 | That may be his next target.
|
| 01:01:44 | The family was a special type of
very terrible situation.
|
| 01:01:47 | Will he kill again?
|
| 01:01:48 | Of course.
|
| 01:01:48 | And perhaps during the capture
time.
|
| 01:01:51 | >> Michelle, when we look at
this, we wonder motive.
|
| 01:01:54 | We heard he had a resentment
toward family members.
|
| 01:01:59 | >> Right.
|
| 01:02:01 | >> Was the rage nailed at the
family or can he send it
elsewhere?
|
| 01:02:05 | >> I think at this point he
could send that rage anywhere.
|
| 01:02:08 | I think like the profiler spoke
about, it may definite I will be
focused on the police at the
time of capture.
|
| 01:02:16 | What we're talking about here is
mass murder and familicide.
|
| 01:02:24 | This individual is a very
unstable individual who plotted
and methodically planned out
this attack on his family.
|
| 01:02:36 | It was fueled by perceived
injustice and perceived revenge.
|
| 01:02:41 | It was a revenge murder,
multiple murder.
|
| 01:02:45 | >> When espoke to the father of
the 6-year-old who tragically
died --
>> devastating.
|
| 01:02:51 | >> He sat a couple seats away
from the guy thanksgiving
dinner.
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| 01:02:56 | He didn't notice anything.
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| 01:02:57 | They joked, talked about
football, how could someone
knowing in their mind what they
had planned compartmentalize
that?
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| 01:03:09 | >> He was acting.
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| 01:03:11 | He made that decision long
before making that phone call to
his father to come to the
thanksgiving dinner.
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| 01:03:17 | That had been planned out.
|
| 01:03:21 | He was, you know, very focused
on accomplishing his goal which
is what they believe was
primarily killing the sisters
which is where the issues had
been in the past with some
restraining orders and threats
and so forth.
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| 01:03:40 | >> Mike --
>> go ahead.
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| 01:03:41 | >> Mike, no space whatsoever was
this an accident.
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| 01:03:44 | This was a prepared, planned
operation.
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| 01:03:47 | >> Yeah.
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| 01:03:48 | We are going to take a quick
break.
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| 01:03:50 | When we come back we are going
to talk about that, talk about
what he did in the days leading
up to these tragic murders on
thanksgiving night.
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| 01:03:58 | We hear the story and it is
shocking that he could sit and
laugh and joke thanksgiving
dinner, couple hours later he is
killing four family members.
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| 01:06:34 | >>> Welcome back to "prime news"
on hln.
|
| 01:06:38 | Paul michael merhige is accused
of killing four family members
after having thanksgiving dinner
with them.
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| 01:06:46 | He shot two others who survived.
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| 01:06:48 | We have our experts standing by.
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| 01:06:51 | Taking your calls
1-877-tell-hln.
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| 01:06:52 | We wonder why.
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| 01:06:54 | We grapple for motive and no one
is doing that more than jim
siddon.
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| 01:07:03 | His 6-year-old daughter was
killed multiple times.
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| 01:07:06 | Here is what he told me moments
ago.
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| 01:07:21 | >> At this point, I mean, he's
already proven that he's evil
and that, I mean, I've never
heard of anyone going in and
executing a little girl in her
sleep.
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| 01:07:26 | >> I know it.
|
| 01:07:27 | >> So, if he can do that, he can
do anything but he's not sick.
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| 01:07:29 | He's violent.
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| 01:07:30 | He's not mental.
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| 01:07:31 | He's evil.
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| 01:07:33 | >> A man who is grieving who
lost his 6-year-old daughter.
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| 01:07:37 | How do you make it through this?
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| 01:07:39 | He gets from lunch to dinner,
hour by hour, moment by moment.
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| 01:07:43 | Could not imagine what he is
going through.
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| 01:07:46 | We will take your calls
1-877-tell-hln.
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| 01:07:49 | Michelle golland is with us.
|
| 01:07:51 | Do you agree with his
description?
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| 01:07:58 | Pure evil not mental?
|
| 01:07:59 | >> He may have had a mental
illness.
|
| 01:08:01 | That does not mean that is a
defense for this crime at all.
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| 01:08:05 | At all.
|
| 01:08:06 | I think this individual is
dangerous.
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| 01:08:09 | He was dangerous before this day
and I think that 20 -- he said
he had been plotting this for 20
years according to the reports i
had seen.
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| 01:08:22 | >> Okay.
|
| 01:08:22 | >> His obsessive compulsive
disorder contributes to that, to
the obsession.
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| 01:08:30 | I can only imagine how long he
was plotting this revenge.
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| 01:08:34 | >> Michelle sigona is with us.
|
| 01:08:37 | What do we know about the days
leading up to the tragedy on
thanksgiving?
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| 01:08:42 | We know he bought weapons.
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| 01:08:43 | >> We know at least 30 days
before the shooting he purchased
one weapon.
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| 01:08:50 | We know other weapons were
purchased.
|
| 01:08:53 | We don't know exactly when.
|
| 01:08:54 | The video that came out the day
before thanksgiving of paul
inside of a gun store.
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| 01:09:00 | What he purchased investigators
aren't saying specifically.
|
| 01:09:06 | The murders allegedly happened
at thanksgiving day 10:00 p.m.
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| 01:09:12 | That night.
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| 01:09:12 | After he was sitting around the
table, participating and singing
songs.
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| 01:09:17 | He snuck out and came back in
and tragedy struck.
|
| 01:09:21 | >> That methodical planning, don
clark, now you know what you are
dealing with as an investigator.
|
| 01:09:28 | How do you ferret him out?
|
| 01:09:30 | Are you concerned someone is
helping him?
|
| 01:09:32 | >> When you look at someone who
has taken the detail and time to
plan an operation like that, the
capture will be made more
difficult.
|
| 01:09:45 | He will be controlling and
establishing what he is doing
before he does it to keep from
getting captured.
|
| 01:09:53 | Nonetheless a good law
enforcement entity will seek
through the information they've
got and eventually he will make
a mistake and they will make an
arrest.
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| 01:10:04 | >> We hope so.
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| 01:10:06 | It can't come too soon.
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| 01:10:08 | Don, michelle sigona, michelle
golland.
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| 01:10:12 | >>> Coming up, this is horrific,
pregnant young woman at a
shelter for pregnant young
woman.
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| 01:10:20 | Befriended by a 40-year-old
woman.
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| 01:10:22 | She tried to cut the baby from
the 29-year-old's womb.
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| 01:13:03 | >>> Welcome back.
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| 01:13:04 | A bizarre and brutal attack at
the hands of a wannabe mom.
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| 01:13:09 | Cops in maryland say this
40-year-old woman veronica
deramous trying to cut an unborn
baby from a pregnant woman's
womb.
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| 01:13:22 | Unfathomable that is what we are
dealing with her.
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| 01:13:24 | That desire to have a child.
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| 01:13:26 | What pushed her over the edge?
|
| 01:13:29 | Here is prime new jersey
affiliate wjla.
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| 01:13:35 | >> Reporter: Veronica deramous'
desire drove her to do the
unthinkable to a 29-year-old
woman.
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| 01:13:45 | After holding the woman captive
for days tried to cut out the
unborn child with a utility
knife.
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| 01:13:54 | >> It is a bizarre case.
|
| 01:13:57 | >> Reporter: She befriended the
victim who was staying at this
shelter in southeast washington.
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| 01:14:04 | The victim left with deramous to
get baby clothes.
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| 01:14:14 | She brought the victim back to
her place, duct taped her to a
chair, tried to cut the baby
from the womb.
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| 01:14:23 | She got away.
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| 01:14:26 | Deramous was arrested in
arlington county, virginia.
|
| 01:14:30 | >> It is a horrific scenario.
|
| 01:14:33 | It is a shocking case.
|
| 01:14:34 | I have been a prosecutor since
1990 and have never seen
anything like this.
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| 01:14:40 | >> Reporter: The victim and her
daughter are expected to
recover.
|
| 01:14:44 | This new mother named her child
miracle.
|
| 01:14:48 | >> That is fantastic.
|
| 01:14:49 | I said that is a beautiful thing
because that is what that is.
|
| 01:14:52 | That is a miracle.
|
| 01:14:54 | >> Indeed it is.
|
| 01:14:56 | mint,
spokesperson from the prince
george's police department.
|
| 01:15:10 | Matt, how are mom and baby
doing?
|
| 01:15:12 | >> I just spoke to the
mother-in-law of the mom in the
hospital and she told me that
they're doing well.
|
| 01:15:19 | I think the mom herself told a
tv station here that she is
doing well, too, you know.
|
| 01:15:26 | Police have told me they expect
to make a full recovery.
|
| 01:15:31 | >> Do you know what procedures
had to take place?
|
| 01:15:33 | >> I know there was a c-section
to deliver the baby.
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| 01:15:36 | I don't know what other
procedures had to take place.
|
| 01:15:40 | >> Newborn's name miracle.
|
| 01:15:42 | Very fitting here as we look at
what happened.
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| 01:15:46 | I want to bring in the captain
as we figure out what went on
here.
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| 01:15:51 | How did this lady allegedly
target the 29-year-old?
|
| 01:15:55 | >> What we know at this point
and, of course, the
investigation is still ongoing
is that the victim met the
suspect somehow through a
homeless shelter off of wheeler
road in southeast washington,
d.c.
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| 01:16:09 | We are not sure if they met at
the homeless shelter or met
through a third party.
|
| 01:16:16 | The relationship basically was
that the suspect was offering
baby clothes and baby items to
the victim and we believe that
is the guise she lured her there
with.
|
| 01:16:29 | >> That is how she got her back
to her house and attempted this
crime.
|
| 01:16:33 | >> Yes.
|
| 01:16:34 | >> Michelle golland, from what
you hear, is it that simple of a
motive?
|
| 01:16:40 | Want baby that bad you are going
to cut an unborn baby from a
womb?
|
| 01:16:46 | >> Yeah.
|
| 01:16:47 | Mike, we've seen this so many
times before.
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| 01:16:49 | It is horrific.
|
| 01:16:51 | This is what happens.
|
| 01:16:52 | Often these women have a story
where they have set it up that
they look pregnant, they want a
child.
|
| 01:17:00 | It often is related to keeping a
relationship, keeling a male
around them as well.
|
| 01:17:06 | They have wanted to have a child
with but for whatever reason it
hasn't happened.
|
| 01:17:11 | And they lure them and they're
delusional at that point, too.
|
| 01:17:17 | They have delusional thinking.
|
| 01:17:19 | No way that is an excuse but
that is what can happen.
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| 01:17:23 | It is horrible.
|
| 01:17:24 | >> Let's go back to matt with
"
do you know how long veronica
deramous targeted this
particular woman or was she
going to zone in on anybody at
that shelter.
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| 01:17:39 | >> Not exactly.
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| 01:17:40 | I talked to a sister, a nun at
the shelter who said the victim
had been there for a long time.
|
| 01:17:48 | She wasn't clear how long the
suspect had been there.
|
| 01:17:51 | She said sometime last week the
victim told her and other
employees she was going to go to
baltimore with this woman named
stephanie mills and the suspect
in this case was using this as
an alias.
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| 01:18:05 | I don't know how long they knew
one another before last week.
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| 01:18:08 | >> Captain, any more on that?
|
| 01:18:12 | How long veronica deramous
targeted this woman?
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| 01:18:16 | >> As far as we know they knew
each other approximately a week.
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| 01:18:20 | >> A week.
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| 01:18:22 | >> Yes.
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| 01:18:23 | >> All right.
|
| 01:18:24 | Michelle.
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| 01:18:24 | How does that fit in?
|
| 01:18:26 | Do you think the planning was
going on and this 29-year-old
happened into her life?
|
| 01:18:32 | >> Oh, for sure.
|
| 01:18:33 | >> And there was her target?
|
| 01:18:35 | >> I would predict she had been
planning this for a while and
had figured out the shelter and
how she was going to go and do
this.
|
| 01:18:43 | They want to find a vulnerable
victim.
|
| 01:18:47 | We've seen it in other cases
where the victim is vulnerable,
at home alone and they befriend
them.
|
| 01:18:53 | It also highlights that there's
this belief that females don't
commit violent crimes.
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| 01:19:00 | And we do.
|
| 01:19:00 | It does happen.
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| 01:19:06 | There is an immediate trust that
happens that makes this crime
easier to execute.
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| 01:19:13 | >> It's just hard to fathom.
|
| 01:19:15 | So horrific, thankfully it
sounds like mom and baby are
going to recover from this.
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| 01:19:22 | >> Yes.
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| 01:19:22 | >> Emergency c-section performed
and little miracle is going to
be okay.
|
| 01:22:06 | >>> Welcome back.
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| 01:22:07 | It is bad enough to lose your
job.
|
| 01:22:10 | You have the debt collectors
calling, harassing you.
|
| 01:22:13 | We hope you are not going
through this.
|
| 01:22:16 | Many are in these tough times.
|
| 01:22:18 | Look at these debt collectors.
|
| 01:22:20 | They are getting abusive,
cussing people out on the phone.
|
| 01:22:25 | One woman said it got so bad it
literally killed her husband.
|
| 01:22:32 | >> Here's how debt collectors
are supposed to treat you on the
phone.
|
| 01:22:36 | >> I want to inform you this is
an attempt to collect a debt.
|
| 01:22:40 | >> This is how they're not.
|
| 01:22:45 | >> Please call green tree and
get your act together to make
your payments on the mortgage.
|
| 01:22:50 | >> The call is one of hups her
husband got before he died of
heart failure.
|
| 01:22:57 | How many phone calls would you
get a day?
|
| 01:23:00 | >> Six, seven.
|
| 01:23:01 | >> She is suing green tree
services using harassing tactics
that broke florida law and she
claims led to her husband's
death.
|
| 01:23:13 | >> He had trouble sleeping, not
eating well.
|
| 01:23:16 | The stress was getting worse and
worse.
|
| 01:23:18 | >> The company's general counsel
told cnn the collection activity
did not lead to his death.
|
| 01:23:26 | The claim is meritless.
|
| 01:23:27 | We deny the content, the number
or the timing of the calls had
anything to do with him dying in
2005.
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| 01:23:34 | After a heart attack stanny
McCLOUD WENT ON DISABILITY IN
2002.
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| 01:23:39 | the McClouds fell behind three
months on their mortgage
payments.
|
| 01:23:44 | The calls began.
|
| 01:23:46 | After explaining to the
collector he had been life
flighting to the hospital.
|
| 01:23:52 | >> Why don't you have that
helicopter pick you up and carry
you to the office with the
payment.
|
| 01:23:59 | >> That is how these mafia like
tactics result in so many money.
|
| 01:24:05 | People are scared.
|
| 01:24:06 | >> Howard says he has hundreds
of cases involving other
clients.
|
| 01:24:10 | How would you feel if you got a
call like this.
|
| 01:24:14 | >> When I see you I'm going to
[ bleep ] you up.
|
| 01:24:19 | I want my money and want it now.
|
| 01:24:21 | >> You haven't heard the last of
me.
|
| 01:24:24 | If it takes me a year, takes me
two, believe me, I will find
you.
|
| 01:24:30 | >> We want them gone.
|
| 01:24:31 | We want all of them gone.
|
| 01:24:33 | >> Anna runs a debt collection
agency.
|
| 01:24:37 | She says those breaking the law
should be gone.
|
| 01:24:44 | >> We are penalized for a few
bad apples.
|
| 01:24:47 | At our firm we are in
compliance.
|
| 01:24:50 | >> With the recession the number
of people in debt has gone up
and the complaints against debt
collection agencies.
|
| 01:24:58 | Between january and june of this
year the federal trade
commission received 45,000
complaints, up more than 20%
from last year.
|
| 01:25:08 | The ftc has one case pending,
referring most complaints to the
states for legal action.
|
| 01:25:14 | Attorneys say if you get
harassing messages, do what
stanley McCloud did, save the
tapes.
|
| 01:25:24 | >> Some good advice.
|
| 01:25:25 | A lot of people are getting
these types of phone calls.
|
| 01:25:29 | Some even if they don't owe.
|
| 01:25:32 | A collector is stuck on a
certain phone call.
|
| 01:25:35 | Now this story.
|
| 01:25:37 | You might remember tim donaghy's
fall from grace.
|
| 01:25:41 | Nba referee, he had the life.
|
| 01:25:43 | Gave it all up because he
decided to gamble on games.
|
| 01:25:47 | Ends up in prison, involved with
the mob.
|
| 01:25:49 | He is going to join us.
|
| 01:28:05 | >>> Welcome back to "prime news"
on hln.
|
| 01:28:08 | An ambulance called out to tiger
woods' home again.
|
| 01:28:12 | His mother-in-law rushed to the
hospital with stomach pain.
|
| 01:28:15 | Thankfully she is okay, back
home.
|
| 01:28:18 | We have new information from a
witness saying tiger may have
been drinking the day of his
accident and had prescriptions,
vicodin, ambien.
|
| 01:28:27 | What could this mean to the golf
pro?
|
| 01:28:30 | We take your calls
1-877-tell-hln.
|
| 01:28:32 | Now this story.
|
| 01:28:33 | You talk about living a dream.
|
| 01:28:37 | Tim donaghy was living that.
|
| 01:28:38 | He was a referee for the nba,
made $300,000 a year, a wife,
four beautiful daughters but
lost it all.
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| 01:28:46 | He started gambling on nba
games.
|
| 01:28:48 | Some games he refed himself.
|
| 01:28:51 | Next thing you know he is hooked
up with the mob.
|
| 01:28:54 | Gets caught gambling, ends up in
jail, his wife leaves him.
|
| 01:28:59 | Talk about a fall from grace.
|
| 01:29:01 | He is author of the new book,
personal foul.
|
| 01:29:05 | A first-person account of the
scandal that rocked the nba.
|
| 01:29:08 | Tim thanks for joining us.
|
| 01:29:09 | You and I just spoke on the
break.
|
| 01:29:11 | We hope someone will hear your
story and not take that step and
not try and get away with
something and cross a line deep
down they know they shouldn't.
|
| 01:29:24 | Let me ask you, is it almost
surreal?
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| 01:29:27 | You are wondering did I really
make those decisions to create
this mess?
|
| 01:29:32 | >> Sure.
|
| 01:29:33 | In fact, today I was talking
with some people at the vti
group.
|
| 01:29:37 | It is like I put my head on the
pillow every night and wonder
who I had done and I'm hoping to
wake up in the morning and it
was just a nightmare but
unfortunately it is not.
|
| 01:29:51 | It is reality.
|
| 01:29:51 | >> You are living it.
|
| 01:29:54 | Why risk it all?
|
| 01:29:55 | You had a great life.
|
| 01:29:56 | >> I had a super life.
|
| 01:29:59 | Unfortunately, when u suffer
from an addiction you do things
that you rationally know are
wrong and unfortunately because
you suffer from something it is
not until after the fact that
you are caught you wonder how
and why you got involved in it.
|
| 01:30:18 | >> So you are a gambling addict?
|
| 01:30:20 | It started with golf games,
poker?
|
| 01:30:23 | >> Golf, poker, casinos,
basically anything and
everything you could place a bet
on.
|
| 01:30:29 | >> What made you cross the line
and gamble on nba games.
|
| 01:30:33 | >> I think that the reason i
actually crossed that line is
because to me it was predictable
and it was something that I was
easily able to make winning
picks on.
|
| 01:30:48 | >> Okay.
|
| 01:30:48 | When you did cross that line,
did you know you were crossing a
kasm?
|
| 01:30:55 | You were jumping the grand
canyon or did you think twice?
|
| 01:30:58 | >> No.
|
| 01:31:00 | Obviously, I knew I was doing
something that was wrong but it
was something I probably thought
I wasn't going to be caught.
|
| 01:31:08 | >> Tell us how it went down.
|
| 01:31:10 | Some don't know the story.
|
| 01:31:12 | You have inside information.
|
| 01:31:14 | You are an nba referee.
|
| 01:31:16 | You figure out after time, you
have been refing and you know
what calls are going to go which
way.
|
| 01:31:24 | Give us an example.
|
| 01:31:25 | >> When you talk about referees
in the nba there's
relationships, there are
positive relationships and
negative relationships.
|
| 01:31:33 | Unfortunately, I used the
knowledge of those relationships
to place winning bets on nba
contests based on the points
spread.
|
| 01:31:40 | >> When you say relationships,
you are talking about a referee
and a player.
|
| 01:31:45 | Let's say the player teed off a
ref.
|
| 01:31:49 | The next game that referee is
probably not going to give him a
call.
|
| 01:31:53 | >> Not only that.
|
| 01:31:56 | That is a negative relationship.
|
| 01:31:57 | There are positive
relationships, people in contact
with owners or players or
coaches or situations where
referees would basically kiss a
player prior to the beginning of
the game at the captain's
meeting.
|
| 01:32:12 | >> On that side you knew I'm
going to place a bet on that
team because things might go
their way.
|
| 01:32:16 | >> Sure.
|
| 01:32:19 | Right.
|
| 01:32:19 | >> Give us a specific example.
|
| 01:32:22 | Allen iverson.
|
| 01:32:24 | Iverson back with the sixers by
the way, feisty player.
|
| 01:32:28 | He threatened a referee.
|
| 01:32:30 | Was only fined.
|
| 01:32:31 | What takes place from there?
|
| 01:32:33 | >> The referee staff because in
an uproar he threatened to do
harm to one of the referees and
was only fined $25,000 instead
of being suspended.
|
| 01:32:45 | Basically some of the referees
got together and decided to do
some jut of our own and strictly
enforce palming violations and
martinal plays he usually
received while going to the
basket.
|
| 01:32:59 | We were going to pass on them.
|
| 01:33:01 | >> In this case you bet against
iverson because he is not going
to get any breaks, right?
|
| 01:33:06 | >> Correct.
|
| 01:33:07 | >> Let me read a statement from
nba commissioner david stern to
get their side out there.
|
| 01:33:12 | This is an an interview,
concerning your interview with
"
tim donaghy repeated his
allegations against his former
colleagues, nba referees as well
as the nba.
|
| 01:33:27 | Those allegations have been
fully investigated and the
government found only criminal
conduct was that of mr. donaghy.
|
| 01:33:35 | The nba appointed a chief of
criminal division in the u.s.
|
| 01:33:40 | Attorney's office to lead a
comprehensive independent review
of the nba's officiating program
and he revealed that the nba's
core values of neutrality were
not compromised by anyone other
than mr. donaghy.
|
| 01:33:55 | Any comment to that statement,
tim, as you hear that?
|
| 01:33:59 | You know the nba is at odds with
you.
|
| 01:34:01 | >> That is understandable.
|
| 01:34:03 | They have a billion-dollar
organization to protect.
|
| 01:34:06 | I just revert back to the fbi
and their investigation to where
they understood that there were
some situations that arose
within the management system of
the nba and they advised me
that, you know, they're in
contact with them and there are
drastic steps being made to
correct those problems.
|
| 01:34:34 | He may want to paint me as the
rogue referee but they are
taking steps to correct
situations.
|
| 01:34:40 | >> When we come back we are
going to pick up the story.
|
| 01:34:43 | We have left it off.
|
| 01:34:44 | You are picking games.
|
| 01:34:46 | 80% Clip.
|
| 01:34:47 | Making some good money.
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| 01:34:48 | The mob gets wind of things and
they want in.
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| 01:34:51 | That's next.
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| 01:37:33 | >>> Welcome back to "prime news"
on hln.
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| 01:37:38 | We continue our conversation
with nba referee tim donaghy.
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| 01:37:43 | Now convicted felon.
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| 01:37:44 | He is out with his book
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that referees had it out for
certain players, may not give
them calls.
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| 01:37:55 | He knew how to bet.
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| 01:37:57 | He is picking games 80% rate.
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| 01:38:02 | How does the mob get involved.
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| 01:38:04 | >> A friend I was placing bets
with and I decided we were going
to stop as we did periodically
from time to time.
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| 01:38:14 | Unfortunately, I was unaware
this information was being
passed along to people
associated with organized crime.
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| 01:38:22 | At the time we decided to stop
they wanted to continue to get
that information.
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| 01:38:26 | So a high school friend of mine
was involved with a guy that was
involved with the gambino crime
family and they came down and
picked me up at the airport
marriott in philadelphia one
night.
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| 01:38:41 | >> And said what?
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| 01:38:43 | >> And basically said they were
wl aware of what was going on
and I needed to give a certain
individual my picks for nba
games.
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| 01:38:52 | If not it would be possible that
the nba would find out about it
or someone would possibly visit
my wife and kids in florida.
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| 01:39:00 | >> Wow.
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| 01:39:02 | Threats to the family.
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| 01:39:02 | You are going to be found out.
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| 01:39:05 | Did conscience take over and say
now it is time to go to the nba?
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| 01:39:14 | >> No.
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| 01:39:15 | I knew what I had done in making
the poor choice to bet on nba
games to begin with.
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| 01:39:20 | I was hoping this would pass
quickly and by the end of the
season it would be over with and
I could somehow retain my job.
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| 01:39:28 | >> Not the case?
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| 01:39:29 | >> No.
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| 01:39:30 | >> As we look at this, tim, you
are betting on a game.
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| 01:39:34 | The mob is betting with you.
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| 01:39:37 | Did that change your calls?
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| 01:39:38 | A lot is on the mind and the mob
is watching.
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| 01:39:41 | Is that in the back of your
mind?
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| 01:39:44 | >> I think it was always in the
back of my mind.
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| 01:39:47 | The situation was I was able to
pick these games at a highly
successful rate prior to them
getting involved.
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| 01:39:55 | I continued to pick them at a
successful rate.
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| 01:39:57 | I didn't want to throw up any
red flags and be detected to
make calls that were incorrect
to help a bet win.
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| 01:40:07 | >> So we find out the nba is
tracking the mob here.
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| 01:40:11 | >> Correct.
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| 01:40:11 | >> That is how you are found
out.
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| 01:40:14 | What is your feeling when you
know jig is up?
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| 01:40:17 | Fbi knows.
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| 01:40:18 | This is coming to an end?
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| 01:40:20 | >> I'm about ready to play a
round of golf.
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| 01:40:23 | The season's over and I get a
call from the guy I was dealing
with who was a friend of mine
and he told me the fbi had
visited him three times and that
he was involved in a grand jury
hearing.
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| 01:40:39 | >> So who, at this-point, I'm
guessing you have to come clean
with the people close to you?
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| 01:40:47 | What was the conversation you
had?
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| 01:40:51 | With your father, a respected
referee, so proud of his son
following in his footsteps that
must have devastated him?
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| 01:41:01 | >> It certainly did.
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| 01:41:02 | I called to wish him a happy
father's day.
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| 01:41:06 | He detected something in my
voice that was wrong.
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| 01:41:10 | He asked me what the problem
was.
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| 01:41:12 | I didn't plant on telling him.
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| 01:41:14 | But it worked out that way.
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| 01:41:17 | >> Is that an emotional call?
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| 01:41:19 | >> Absolutely.
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| 01:41:20 | >> How do you explain this to
your four daughters.
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| 01:41:24 | >> My wife and I sat them down
and let them know I made a
terrible choice and got involved
in something I shouldn't have
and it was going to cost me my
job.
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| 01:41:34 | >> A couple of callers are lined
up.
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| 01:41:37 | Marty is with us in virginia.
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| 01:41:39 | Your question here.
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| 01:41:40 | >> Caller: Yes.
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| 01:41:42 | I would like to ask tim if he
thinks the outcome of his calls
in the game would have affected
the standings and championship
and division titles and maybe an
nba title over the years or if
it wouldn't have been taken that
far.
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| 01:41:57 | >> Tim, go ahead and answer
that.
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| 01:42:00 | >> The fbi did a thorough
investigation and concluded that
I didn't make any calls in any
games to affect the point spread
or make sure a certain team won
and also the nba did an
investigation through larry
pedowitz and he concluded there
was no evidence I influenced the
outcome of any games.
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| 01:42:21 | >> Mike in ohio.
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| 01:42:21 | Go ahead.
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| 01:42:24 | >> Caller: Hey, how are you
doing today?
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| 01:42:26 | >> Good.
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| 01:42:28 | >> Caller: My comment is as a
pro wrestling fan.
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| 01:42:31 | For years I have had arguments
that the fact all sports
somewhat seem to be
predetermined.
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| 01:42:38 | I think it is an amazing an nba
official got caught and it is
coming to light this may
transcend into other sports.
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| 01:42:46 | We have seen bad calls in
crucial times, baseball, mma,
basketball.
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| 01:42:54 | It is amazing someone got caught
and brings this to light.
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| 01:42:58 | >> That is quite the theory.
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| 01:43:00 | We would like to think, maybe
I'm a purist, that we still have
clean competition in the major
sports.
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| 01:43:07 | Mike is out there and other
theorists believe this is
shedding a light.
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| 01:43:11 | Quite a conversation.
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| 01:43:12 | That is for another day.
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| 01:43:13 | Tim donaghy, we appreciate your
time.
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| 01:43:16 | As you and I spoke we hope
someone will hear your story and
not cross a line they shouldn't
and realize a sin will take you
farther than you ever thought
you could go.
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| 01:43:28 | >> Appreciate it.
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| 01:43:29 | >>> Someone who admitted
transgressions, tiger woods, new
drama at his house.
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| 01:43:36 | Beyond that, an ambulance called
to his home this morning rushing
his mother-in-law to the
hospital.
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| 01:45:54 | >>> Welcome back to "prime news"
on hln.
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| 01:45:58 | A frightening scene at tiger
woods' home in florida.
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| 01:46:01 | Another concern, middle of the
night again.
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| 01:46:04 | 2 A.m. again.
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| 01:46:05 | This time his mother-in-law
rushed to the hospital with
stomach pain.
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| 01:46:10 | Thankfully she has been released
in good condition.
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| 01:46:13 | The 2:00 a.m. hour.
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| 01:46:15 | About the same time tiger had
his crash.
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| 01:46:18 | A document from the florida
highway patrol a witness told
cops he had been drinking and
had prescriptions for ambien and
vicodin.
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| 01:46:32 | That witness maybe elin.
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| 01:46:37 | Does that explain why tiger was
snoring as he was pulled from
the suv?
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| 01:46:44 | Tanya aker, david mattingly and
carlos diaz.
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| 01:46:49 | He is a correspondent for
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david, give us the latest on
tiger woods' mother-in-law.
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| 01:46:59 | What happened?
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| 01:46:59 | >> Reporter: We heard the 911
tape and in it you hear tiger's
wife sounding very upset talking
about her mother collapsing in
the bathroom.
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| 01:47:09 | As she continued to talk to the
911 operator, the mother calmed
down.
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| 01:47:14 | Everyone seemed to be doing
better.
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| 01:47:16 | The paramedics were sent as a
precaution and possibly as an
added precaution she was brought
to the hospital.
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| 01:47:24 | It was all for abdominal pain
according to officials.
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| 01:47:28 | They released her and she is
back at the woods' home this
evening.
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| 01:47:33 | >> Who is staying at the woods'
home?
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| 01:47:37 | Is tiger's mother still there?
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| 01:47:39 | >> We don't know for sure.
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| 01:47:41 | The hospital is careful to guard
emp's privacy.
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| 01:47:45 | They said members of the family
did visit the mother-in-law in
the hospital but would not
confirm if tiger woods was among
them or exactly who was visiting
here.
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| 01:47:59 | said, a witness that tiger may
have been drinking, that there
was -- he was on ambient,
vicodin.
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| 01:48:07 | What more can you tell us about
that?
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| 01:48:09 | >> This document indicates that
police wanted to look into
whether or not tiger may have
been driving while impaired.
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| 01:48:16 | Dui.
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| 01:48:18 | When he had his accident.
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| 01:48:21 | Because of what the witness told
him, the witness who was
probably his wife, she's not
described by name, but told the
investigating officers there at
the scene that he had consumed
alcohol earlier in the evening,
that he had prescriptions for a
sleeping aid and a painkiller.
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| 01:48:39 | But there's no mention there
that he had actually taken those
drugs, and this information was
taken to a states attorney.
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| 01:48:45 | The investigators wanting to
know if they could get a blood
test, see tiger's personal
medical records to see if
perhaps he had something in his
system that might contribute to
this accident.
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| 01:49:00 | The state attorney looked at
this and said there's not enough
information to go forward with
that, there's not going to be
any subpoena.
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| 01:49:07 | So no further criminal
investigation and that's where
it ended.
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| 01:49:10 | >> David, thanks.
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| 01:49:15 | Real quick, tonya, people think
wait a minute, if that happened
to me in those circumstances and
it's not tiger woods, they would
have pursued it further.
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| 01:49:22 | Your thoughts on that?
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| 01:49:23 | >> Well, I think you all have
that issue when a celebrity
seems to be getting a different
standard of justice.
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| 01:49:29 | We've seen that happen far too
often.
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| 01:49:32 | I don't want to jump to any
conclusions about what he had in
his system.
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| 01:49:37 | It was thanksgiving, so we don't
know when he consumed this
alcohol, when during the day it
was.
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| 01:49:41 | But there are two systems of
justice.
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| 01:49:42 | >> Stay with us.
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| 01:52:09 | >>> We'll keep you updated on
tiger woods.
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| 01:52:12 | More news coming from his home.
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| 01:52:14 | His mother-in-law, elin's mom
was rushed to the hospital with
stomach pains.
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| 01:52:20 | She's okay.
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| 01:52:21 | Also a document from the florida
tiger patrol that tiger woods
may have been drinking the day
of the accident.
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| 01:52:26 | We're talking back into
thanksgiving day into the wee
hours of that night early friday
morning.
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| 01:52:31 | He may have had the
prescriptions ambien, vicodin.
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| 01:52:36 | We'll spoking with tonya acker.
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| 01:52:43 | Let's look at that and why it
wouldn't be pursued furtherer.
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| 01:52:48 | If that is the case, you would
figure, you know, a crash
involving property, if he was
driving while impaired I would
think they would be able to
subpoena his records.
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| 01:52:59 | >> I certainly know of cases
where there's been accident
where is alcohol has been
involved.
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| 01:53:03 | Even if there was no physical
injury or secondary victim, if
there's property damage, usually
that's something the police
would investigate.
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| 01:53:09 | I think here, you know, again,
it's really hard to get into the
heads of the investigators.
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| 01:53:14 | You know, why they wouldn't move
forward with these records.
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| 01:53:17 | I just have to maybe fall back
on the suggestion that he's a
famous person and a lot of
people like him.
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| 01:53:22 | His favorables are still really
high.
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| 01:53:25 | And they're really high
particularly among men.
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| 01:53:27 | So I think maybe that played a
role.
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| 01:53:29 | >> Maybe.
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| 01:53:30 | You look at a new cnn poll.
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| 01:53:33 | 60% Of people still have a
favorable opinion of him.
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| 01:53:36 | That's just down from 84% back
in '01.
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| 01:53:40 | That picks up on your point,
tonya.
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| 01:53:43 | Let's bring in carlos on this.
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| 01:53:46 | Reports that elin moved out.
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| 01:54:08 | What do you make of that?
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| 01:54:09 | >> Well, she called from the
home so we know she hasn't moved
out.
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| 01:54:13 | But gatorade has dropped tiger.
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| 01:54:16 | Even though they said they
decided to drop him before the
controversy, this controversy
couldn't have helped, and that
might be -- you know, this could
be the beginning of other
companies dropping tiger.
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| 01:54:26 | I saw an ad when I landed here
in new york for accenture with
tiger in the airport.
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| 01:54:32 | It seemed odd to me to see that
ad up and see tiger.
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| 01:54:35 | Maybe that might come to play in
other endorsements.
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| 01:54:38 | >> Right, we said that.
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| 01:54:40 | Definitely new endorsements
aren't going to come his way for
quite a while.
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| 01:54:45 | It's because of some of the
unseemly details.
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| 01:54:48 | The misstress count -- and i
hate to use those terms, it's
somewhat crass -- is what?
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| 01:54:55 | Nine?
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| 01:54:55 | Ten?
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| 01:54:57 | >> It's up to ten when I count
and it's getting higher every
day.
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| 01:55:00 | Some of these women might not be
telling the truth and there
might be some women out there --
think about this.
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| 01:55:05 | What about the women out there
that are saying I'm not going to
say anything because I want to
go to tiger in the next few
weeks and say hey irk didn't rat
you out.
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| 01:55:13 | There you go.
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| 01:55:15 | >> Tonya, let me get your take
real quick.
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| 01:55:17 | Carlos and I have talked about
it.
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| 01:55:19 | How much more will people have
to hear, sponsors or fans before
they full away from him?
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| 01:55:23 | About 20 seconds.
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| 01:55:23 | Go ahead.
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| 01:55:25 | >> I don't think he's going to
completely ever lose his fan
base.
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| 01:55:29 | He's one of the greatest golfers
in the history of the game.
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| 01:55:32 | That's going to remain intact.
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| 01:55:33 | I think he will do a lot of pr.
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| 01:55:36 | Kobe bryant b came back.
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| 01:55:38 | These guys come back.
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| 01:55:40 | They do often find a way to
rehabilitate themselves.
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| 01:55:43 | I think he'll find a way.
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| 01:55:46 | >> Thanks again.
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| 01:55:46 | Carlos, tonya.
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eastern.
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| 01:55:50 | Stay with us.
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