The Last Word With Lawrence O'Donnell

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Aired on Wednesday, Dec 22, 2010 (12/22/2010) at 06:00 PM

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00:00:06>> Instead of gridlock, the lame duck session has turned into a huge step forward for the obama agenda.
00:00:09>> The senate passed the 9/11 bill to help first responders.
00:00:14>> Major foreign policy victory for president obama.
00:00:20>> The repeal of don't ask, don't tell is a strong leadership for the white house today.
00:00:25>> Gays will begin serving openly in the u.s. military.
00:00:27>> This is done.
00:00:30>> Along with the winds, president obama admits his losses in the battle with congress.
00:00:36>> There are a number of things that I want to get accomplished that we did not get accomplished.
00:00:40>> Immigration, gitmo -- >> maybe my biggest disappointment -- >> he could have left town and everyone would have been talking about him as the comeback kid.
00:00:50Basically he's changed the subject to what are the fights coming up in the next congress.
00:00:57>> The president is already looking ahead to the new year, and the fight ahead with the incoming republican leadership.
00:01:04>> They don't want barack obama to have all of these successes going into the new year.
00:01:10>> Merry christmas, happy holidays, happy new year.
00:01:11See you in 2011.
00:01:26>> Good evening from los angeles.
00:01:27I'm lawrence o'donnell.
00:01:29At his press conference two weeks ago, president obama defended himself against liberal critics who accused him of selling out his principles for the tax cut deal.
00:01:40Today president obama declared victory for his strategy of compromise in a post midterm election season of progress.
00:01:45>> Democrats and republicans came together to approve my top national security priority for this congress.
00:02:04We also overturned a 17-year-old law and a longstanding injustice by finally ending don't ask, don't tell.
00:02:06In addition, we came together across party lines to pass a food safety bill, the biggest upgrade of america's food safety laws since the great depression.
00:02:21I hope the house will soon join the senate in passing a 9/11 health bill that will help cover the health care costs of police officers, firefighters, rescue workers and residents who inhale toxic air near the world trade center on that terrible morning and the days that followed.
00:02:34So I think it's fair to say that this has been the most productive post election period we've had in decades.
00:02:41>> A new cnn poll finds that 56% of americans support how obama has handled the lame duck session, while only 42% aprove of how the republicans have performed during the same period.
00:02:48President obama's post election reversal of fortune has republican senator lindsey graham worried.
00:02:58>> When is it all going to be said and done?
00:02:59Harry reid has eaten our lunch.
00:03:06>> What about president obama's critics on the left?
00:03:07Are they finally ready to join their president on his victory lap?
00:03:17Joining me now are jane hampshire founder of firedoglake.com.
00:03:20Roger hodge, author of "the " richard wolf, the arthur of "revival" and ezra klein columnist for "the washington " roger hodge, you are the president's staunchest critic on the left.
00:03:43Is there anything that's happened in the lame duck session that has in anyway tilted you in a more positive direction toward president barack obama?
00:03:51>> Not reilly.
00:03:56I think that the repeal of don't ask don't tell is a major step forward.
00:03:59That's a wonderful victory for the american people for civil rights, it's a great thing.
00:04:07Everyone who was involved with that should be commended.
00:04:08Even joe lieberman.
00:04:10And -- but this is not necessarily a major change in the obama administration.
00:04:23The obama administration is working with republicans, and that's not surprising.
00:04:28The obama administration has a lot in common with the republicans.
00:04:32The obama administration is still poised to suggest cuts in social security.
00:04:37There are reports that the president is planning to introduce an austerity plan in his state of the union address.
00:04:45That would preempt cuts demanded by the republicans in the next session of congress.
00:04:50So I think in a few months we may have -- we'll probably have forgotten all about this extraordinary lame duck session and we'll be fighting for the remnants of the new deal going-forward.
00:05:04>> So roger, let me get this straight.
00:05:07You have a kind word for joe lieberman tonight but nothing positive to say about barack obama?
00:05:14>> No, doi.
00:05:15I think he deserves all due credit for helping get this passed.
00:05:20I mean, he's had an extraordinary session.
00:05:22But really my concern is not with these fluctuations in momentum and popularity.
00:05:28My concern really is with basic principles and protecting what little we have left of a social safety net in this country.
00:05:37>> Jane hampshire, let's listen to what president obama said today about the disappointed left regarding his tax cut deal and the tax rates for the wealthy.
00:05:49>> I completely understand why not just democrats, but some republicans might think that that part of the tax package we could have done without.
00:06:00Having said that I want to repeat, compromise by definition means taking some things you don't like.
00:06:07And the overall package was the right one to ensure that this economy has the best possible chance to grow and create jobs.
00:06:17And in is no beran tter anti-poverty program than an economy that's growing.
00:06:23And if the economy started contracting as it might have had we not gotten this tax agreement, the choices we would have to make would be even tougher.
00:06:33>> Was the overall package the right one as the president states?
00:06:38And if he had not made that deal, would we have gotten to don't ask don't tell and everything else that's been accomplished in the lame duck session?
00:06:49>> We got to don't ask don't tell and everything else, the unanimous consent going-forward on the budget resolution blew up, so harry reid slipped don't ask don't tell in over the objections of the white house who wented to proceed to the start treaty.
00:07:16I think there are four things we can look at and take as lessons in the situation.
00:07:22This is what it looks like when harry reid really wants to move something.
00:07:27He has many tools at his disposal when he wants to get something done, and he did it.
00:07:34Number two, it was the groups who would not take no for an answer.
00:07:39Get equal, the 9/11 health care.
00:07:41The first responders who came here, who demonstrated, chained themselves to the white house, who followed the president around and heckled and absolutely would not take no for an answer, who got their issues addressed.
00:07:57Number three, you've got -- we finally see what it's like when a man with public opinion at his back grabs the bully pulpit, goes out and tries to shame the republicans into agreeing to something that is broadly popular.
00:08:13Unfortunately, that man's name is jon stewart, and that's why the 9/11 health care bill got passed.
00:08:21And number four, and I think this is the most important part.
00:08:25We saw don't ask don't tell, the food safety bill, 9/11 health care and the unemployment extension, all of which were extremely popular with the public between 65% and 80% popularity, the things that people are celebrating today.
00:08:42What can we say about all of those things?
00:08:45Those are liberal things.
00:08:47Those are liberal agenda.
00:08:49They are not by definition to the left, because with 65 to 80% support, they are centrist.
00:08:54That's where the country is.
00:08:55So the things that liberals have been telling the president to do are popular.
00:08:57And the response that the country has prove that that is something that he will actually reap a whole lot of popular support for if he actually gets out there and fights for things like this.
00:09:01>> Jane's first point, maybe harry reid deserves more credit than anything else in what has been accomplished in this lame duck session.
00:09:11I think I may be leaning toward jane on that one.
00:09:15How do you see it?
00:09:16>> Harry reid deserves a lot of credit for what's happened in this lame duck session.
00:09:28I don't think anyone's been as successful keeping his caucus together like he has.
00:09:34These things wouldn't have gotten done, a lot of them, like the food safety bill.
00:09:40What happened with a lot of these different bills.
00:09:43I think this is interesting, a lot of these establishment republicans, the guys on the stark treaty and the moderates, I think they realized if they didn't get this stuff done now, when their colleagues came in in 2011, they weren't going to get it done.
00:10:01These new revolutionaries in the house and senate, weren't going to go back because of what was passed in the senate and go back through.
00:10:11The folks needed to say, listen, we're not in an election right now, we have a month here, and they did it.
00:10:18They moved food safety, defense authorization, don't ask don't tell.
00:10:20They wanted to legislate.
00:10:21Legislation lace is not as powerful to them as getting re-elected.
00:10:25It's a shame we can't see more of that public spirit more often.
00:10:30>> Richard wolf, I think jane has a solid point about how much credit harry reid deserves, he doesn't need the credit for another six years if he's going to run in six years.
00:10:40Barack obama needs the credit right now, as he begins the re-election cycle for the presidency.
00:10:46In the polling we're seeing right now, it looks like he's getting that credit.
00:10:52Isn't this polk result exactly what the white house was angling for when they started to make the deal with the republicans on the tax bill so they could then move on to these other successes?
00:11:02>> Sure, but it's early days.
00:11:05First of all, they had to prove they had life in them yet, they could stage their own revival and they've done that.
00:11:10They had to build support among those independent voters, the people who drifted away.
00:11:13That's what the tax bill did.
00:11:14Also, alongside that list of legislative accomplishments, you have to see how the politics has changed here.
00:11:21I'm not talking about the base and whether they like him or not.
00:11:26Just inside the belt way, look at how the republican strategy the last two years has fallen apart.
00:11:32mitch McConnell couldn't keep his caucus together on the stark treaty.
00:11:37It's not just an establishment figure, he's part of his own leadership.
00:11:43THE DISCIPLINE that McConnell had very successfully to make the president seem extremist, unacceptable and not the bipartisan figure he he tried to portray himself as in 2008.
00:11:56All that's gone, that's as much of an accomplishment as any piece of this legislation.
00:11:58It opens up a completely new path to 2012 over the next two years.
00:12:01>> That is not the last word on the lame duck session.
00:12:02We'll have more to talk about with our panel after the break.
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00:14:31>>> The president's scorecard is full of big wins over the last several weeks, once the republicans take control of the house in january, will it be a ?
00:14:39Our panel will consider that one.
00:14:41>>> And in our continuing series, what's wrong with john McCAIN?
00:14:45Why is he saying no to giving our reservists who fight overseas suicide prevention help?
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00:16:24>>> If there's any lesson to draw from these past few weeks, it's that we are not doomed to endless gridlock.
00:16:32We've shown in the wake of the november elections that we have the capacity not only to make progress, but to make progress together.
00:16:42And I'm not naive, I know there will be tough fights in the months ahead.
00:16:47But my hope heading into the new year is that we can continue to heed the message of the american people and hold to a spirit of common purpose in 2011 and beyond.
00:16:59>> We're back with richard wolf, ezra klein, jane hamsher and richard stone.
00:17:04What tells us the most about what we're going to see next year?
00:17:09Is it the 9/11 responders vote, where democrats were able to over time get enough momentum by just staying with, staying with it?
00:17:19Was it the start -- the treaty VOTE, WHERE mitch McConnell really got just steam rolled?
00:17:25It looked like the republicans were going to be able to hold that up, but he lost republicans.
00:17:32The democrats kept pushing, they never flinched.
00:17:35Which of these votes that we've seen indicates what you expect to see more of next year?
00:17:42>> Well, I'd say the two book ends are the tax deal and the start treaty.
00:17:47Weirdly the start treaty is where the white house campaigned the hardest on, this is a dry piece of legislation that, yes, has important national security ramifications, but gets down to things like telemetry.
00:18:02The white house campaigned on it, they really ran it hard.
00:18:07I think that's important, look at the result.
00:18:10They really did decimate McCONNELL, THEY MADE HIM LOOK Foolish.
00:18:14The tax thing on the positioning, that's why people are not happy.
00:18:19What did that compromise give them?
00:18:22Along with everything else that followed.
00:18:25800 Billion of the 900 billion was on things the democrats wanted.
00:18:29That's the kind of promise you get from a guy who says he can unite red and blue america.
00:18:36That's who he's always been.
00:18:38Those two things together about the president, about how they should campaign moving forward really give you a sense of where they're going to play for the next two years.
00:18:50>> Ezra, the one thing they couldn't get done was the dream act.
00:18:55The president was very disappointed about that.
00:18:58Let's listen to what he had to say about that.
00:19:01>> One thing I hope people have seen during this lame duck, I am persistent.
00:19:07I am persistent.
00:19:08I -- you know, if I believe in something strongly, I stay on it.
00:19:13And I believe strongly in this.
00:19:13And I am happy to engage with the republicans about, if they've got ideas about more on border security, I'm happy to have that conversation.
00:19:20And I think that is absolutely appropriate for the american people to expect that we don't have porous borders and anybody can come in here any time.
00:19:31That is entirely legitimate.
00:19:33But I also think about those kids.
00:19:36And I want to do right by them.
00:19:38And I think the country is going to want to do right by them as well.
00:19:43>> Ezra, the story of those kids who would be affected by the dream act is for many the moving kind of story that we saw told about the 9/11 responders, the kind of -- there's a kind of emotionalism that can be brought to this political argument that may be able to get some traction this year.
00:20:04Do you expect the president to push on that one in the next session?
00:20:09>> Yes, although for a couple reasons, one of the things you need to realize about the president.
00:20:16He was talking to a particularly angry constituency.
00:20:20He would do comprehensive immigration reform in year one.
00:20:24Unlike a lot of the other things he worked on, he didn't try that.
00:20:29He never gave that a shot.
00:20:31He went with him today not only in that congress, but said, listen I will push on this next year, I promise I will make this a thing.
00:20:40He's trying to deal with a major vote for him, in the census this month that just came out, we saw as an enormous shift in america toward hispanics, immigrants.
00:20:51He does owe them more than he's given them.
00:20:55The dream act -- that emotional line on the dream act was important for him to show, he cares about this.
00:21:03They're going to be watching, and what I think people should be watching is whether he puts political capital behind this.
00:21:12They did not push dream the way they pushed start.
00:21:16That was not one of their priorities at this level.
00:21:19These are good words, but we'll see what gets done in 2011 or 2012 on it.
00:21:25>> What are the lessons for liberal activists in approaching the obama administration and the legislative calendar next year?
00:21:34One thing that interested me a lot was watching joe lieberman go from voting with the republicans on the tax votes that they took, thereby killing any hope in the senate of getting what the democrats wanted on taxes, and then being one of the heroes if not the hero in the senate on getting don't ask don't tell repealed.
00:21:45And that's a long story in the senate.
00:21:46Where the guy who's killing you today could be your best friend tomorrow on what you're trying to do.
00:21:48What do you think liberal activists will take out of this lame duck session as their lessons for the coming year?
00:21:51>> Well, joe lieberman is up for re-election in 2012.
00:21:55So everybody gets really fond of democrats and their base, the people they want to come out and vote for them when that happens.
00:22:04Expect to see more of joe warming to his liberal constituents.
00:22:09I think the most important thing we can look at is again the people who got their issues addressed.
00:22:15The people who were unrelenting.
00:22:17The people not the people that played the inside game.
00:22:22It was the outside game that won this time.
00:22:24They put themselves in there and they never accepted the excuses.
00:22:29We did see what it's like, what fierce advocacy is like from the white house, in the form of what they did on start.
00:22:37They called members of the senate.
00:22:40They whipped, they arranged for briefings, they had joe biden out there.
00:22:45The president was using the bully pulpit.
00:22:47And if he's not doing that as he wasn't on the dream act or on don't ask don't tell, then we know it's not a priority for them.
00:22:50And those activists did not accept the kabuki, they said, we want the full monty, we want the whole thing and we're not going to take anything less.
00:22:58I think that's why we're all sitting here celebrating today, because they were uncompromising in what they wanted.
00:23:05>> Roger hodge, first an apology.
00:23:07My jet lag made me refer to you as roger stone.
00:23:10I'm very sorry for that.
00:23:12In the congressional session, do you think as barack obama moves into re-election mode, you're going to see him work more toward his liberal base or work more toward the middle?
00:23:25Or somehow try to do both?
00:23:27>> I fear that obama will move toward the center, move toward the right.
00:23:32He will -- I don't think he really cares that much about the liberal base.
00:23:37I think we're going to see a lot of very disappointing developments.
00:23:41I mentioned before the reports about a rumored preemptive strike on an austerity plan, which is precisely the wrong thing to do.
00:23:51We're still in a serious downturn.
00:23:53Unemployment is almost 10%.
00:23:55We have a financial crisis that is not fully resolved, the foreclosure crisis continues.
00:24:02We have foreclosure fraud that the administration has not dealt with.
00:24:03There has not been enough relief going toward homeowners.
00:24:05We have banks foreclosing on there has not been enough relief going toward homeowners.
00:24:19We have banks foreclosing on houses that are -- that they do not own.
00:24:28And we have these looming wars.
00:24:32We have reports also about an executive order on indefinite detention.
00:24:44So we have a president, a democratic president who is allegedly progressive, who has now thrown some serious bones to progressive constituencies, but we still have vital interests that we have to pursue.
00:24:54And the wars are serious, and on going.
00:24:55>> Roger hodge, you're going to have to get the last word on this, that's all the time we have for the panel.
00:24:58Thank you all for joining me tonight.
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00:36:22>>> In our spotlight tonight, the next episode in our what's WRONG WITH john McCain series.
00:36:31Surely a war veteran who spent five and a half years as a pow in vietnam would want to do anything he could to help those coming home from the battlefields of afghanistan and iraq.
00:36:44But as the bag tries to deal with an epidemic of suicides among the troops, the number's nearly doubling over the last five years, one congressman says his efforts to help those who went to war and now cope with the mental scars has been BLOCKED BY john McCain.
00:36:59It would mean $10 million, a tiny figure by washington standards.
00:37:16A tiny number in defense spending to start an outreach program for those coming home from active duty to do something called individual ready reserve, or irr.
00:37:20Essentially, keeping them on call to return from civilian life to combat if needed.
00:37:22That's what army sergeant coleman bean did.
00:37:32Serving twice in iraq.
00:37:33But his family says when he came home to new jersey he couldn't get the help he needed for dealing with ptsd and in 2008 he took his own life.
00:37:45That tragedy moved democratic representative rush holt to create the provision which was ultimately cut from the defense spending bill passed today in the house.
00:37:49Joining me now, congressman holt of new jersey.
00:37:52Could you just explain this $10 million provision?
00:37:56What it -- why it was needed in addition to the other mental health resources that are already available to veterans?
00:38:06>> Well, lawrence, you explained the background well.
00:38:15When sergeant bean killed himself, I talked to his family.
00:38:19And pledged to do what I could to see that this sort of thing would never happen again.
00:38:23To their credit, they conducted really studies around the country and it was apparent to us that we need outreach.
00:38:32It's not enough to let these veterans or the reservists self-diagnose, and if they imagine they have a problem, go see somebody.
00:38:46It's really important to get them where they are.
00:38:51And so this provision that the house has passed twice now, the house of representatives, would provide for trained counselors to reach out to these reservists at least every 90 days, probably by phone or in person to see how they're adjusting to civilian life.
00:39:08It's a -- I think a fairly straightforward common sense approach.
00:39:10And as I say, it passed the house twice.
00:39:11It disappeared in the house/senate conference.
00:39:19Last year it was because of objections by unnamed senators for unspecified reasons.
00:39:30The same thing happened this time, except that I began to SUSPECT THAT senator McCain had something to do with it, so i spoke with him.
00:39:39And indeed, he said, this is an overreach.
00:39:40In order to -- this proactive approach is really unnecessary.
00:39:44And, you know, I -- you have said, and I -- or people are now very much aware that the rate of suicides in the military is greater than in the general population.
00:39:50It is growing.
00:40:03You know, it's -- 10% higher among the military than the general population, among marines it's 20% higher.
00:40:08Clearly there's a need for outreach here.
00:40:14And when I said this to senator McCAIN, HE JUST ESSENTIALLY GOT Mad and said don't lecture to me about military suicides.
00:40:21I said, I wasn't lecturing, I'm just explaining the need and why we need to do something to reach out.
00:40:28So anyway, now I know why it's disappeared from the defense authorization bill.
00:40:34Earlier in the program, you were talking about all the legislation that's been done since the election.
00:40:46A lot of good things, the defense authorization bill has some good features and some bad features, actually, but this should have been in there.
00:40:52>> NOW, WAS IT -- senator McCain getting mad when confronted on legislative activity is a very common experience for senators who have dealt with him before.
00:41:01As they can all report.
00:41:03But when he talks about don't give me a lecture, it sounds to me like he needs a lecture on these suicide figures.
00:41:10Did it -- did you have the sense that he was getting new information when you were telling him what was happen something what the statistical, the horrifying new statistical picture of military suicide looks like?
00:41:33>> You know, I don't know how -- you know, how much he knows about the situation.
00:41:42I presume he does, because everyone hears about this.
00:41:47And anyone who either goes to hearings of the armed services committee or interacts with military brass or the veteran's administration surely knows about the effort that the dod is undertaking, that the va is undertaking.
00:42:05This legislation, I think, is important -- this provision that I inserted in the bill, because it deals with the reservists who often fall between the cracks, they're not looked after by the va, they're not in a regular military unit.
00:42:24They're often on their own between deployments, and so i thinthere's a particular need for these reservists.
00:42:32It's hard to get the statistics on suicide rates among these categories.
00:42:34It appears there is a real need here.
00:42:35senator McCain, you know, said at one point, well, maybe you need this in new jersey.
00:42:37But we don't need it in arizona.
00:42:37Well, I beg to differ.
00:42:39I think we need it in all 50 states and the territories, wherever people are serving.
00:42:44>> Just absolutely shocking.
00:42:50Maybe you need this in new jersey, we don't need it in arizona.
00:42:52Congressman rush holt, democrat of new jersey, thank you for your time tonight.
00:43:01>> I'll keep working on it, we need it.
00:43:02Thank you.
00:43:03>>> Sarah palin's camp fire attack against first lady michelle obama is firing up the gop.
00:43:06A fellow republican and presidential primary opponent of palin's is trying to get the last word against palin.
00:43:12That's tonight's rewrite.
00:43:17>>> Bill maher's christmas address to the world.
00:43:19He says oprah winfrey has made it clear, the real reason for the season.
00:43:24Last word's holiday cheer correspondent michael musto will referee the fight between bill and oprah.
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00:45:41Someone in the gop is taking on sarah palin for attacking michelle obama.
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00:45:47Details in tonight's rewrite.
00:45:49>>> Is bill maher saying there's a war on christmas and it's oprah's fault?
00:45:57Michael musto gets the last word.
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00:47:35>>> Time for tonight's rewrite.
00:47:36As the food fight between michelle obama and sarah palin obama now has an unexpected ally.
00:47:39This whole thing started in july when the first lady was promoting her let's move initiative to get healthy food to american children while fighting the enormous juvenile obesity epidemic.
00:47:49>> Kids won't like it at first, trust me.
00:47:50But they'll grow to like it.
00:47:56Or deciding that they don't get dessert with every meal.
00:47:57As I tell my kids, dessert is not a right.
00:47:58Or they don't get it every day.
00:48:12>> Then on sunday the latest edition of the newest reality show featuring the most recent vice presidential candidate who will never be president aired on tlc, and sarah palin took on the first lady lying about what you just heard michelle obama say.
00:48:29>> Where's the s'mores?
00:48:29This is an honor michelle obama said the other day.
00:48:35Enter mike huckabewho has done his share of healthy and unhealthy eating.
00:48:48Here's what he had to say yesterday.
00:48:49With all due respect to my colleague and friend sarah palin, I think she's misunderstood what michelle obama's trying to do.
00:49:02She's not trying to tell people what to eat or not trying to force the government's desires on people.
00:49:08But she's stating the obvious, that we do have an obesity crisis in this country.
00:49:12And the health care costs are staggering, with 80% of health care costs in this country going toward chronic disease, a lot of which is caused by obesity.
00:49:17The first lady's campaign is on target, and it's not saying that you can't or shouldn't ever eat a dessert, but it's saying, if you start rewarding kids with sugary things and make them think when they're good they get sugar and when they're bad they have to eat vegetables.
00:49:35You do what happened, really what happened to me and a lot of people.
00:49:38We condition ourselves to think we're really only good when we're sugaring it up.
00:49:42>> Thank you, mike huckabee.
00:49:46>>> She's the host of the highest rated talk show in american history.
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00:53:28>>> She's the host of the highest rated talk show in american history.
00:53:30And every year around the holidays she airs an episode in which she gives away some of her favorite things.
00:53:38But this year one episode wasn't enough.
00:53:41The 300 audience members for the first episode of oprah's ultimate favorite things received a free 52-inch 3-d on, seven-day cruise plus 20 other gifts.
00:53:56Those present for the second episode received a free ipad, diamond earrings, a 2012 volkswagen beetle and 17 other gifts.
00:54:04And then scrooge -- I mean, bill maher has a problem with that.
00:54:06>> Merry christmas.
00:54:13I saw one of the most deeply disturbing things I've ever seen on television last month.
00:54:18Here's how it was shown on the nbc evening news.
00:54:23>> If you had tickets for the oprah winfrey show for any day of this year, this was the day you wanted.
00:54:28This was her final annual favorite things.
00:54:31Audience members will need a wheelbarrow to take home all their stuff.
00:54:42>> How can you look at this and not immediately know what, at the core, is so rotten about this country?
00:54:50This is our real religion, greed.
00:54:56Oprah's show purports to be a lot about spirituality.
00:55:02If it was, then wouldn't she tell her worshipping flock to sit down and stop losing your [ bleep ] over material stuff?
00:55:08>> Joining me now from the village voice and daily musto.com blog, michael musto.
00:55:13I will never be brave enough to pick sides in a clash between two show business giants like bill and oprah.
00:55:18So can you help me find a way to say they're both right?
00:55:30>> Well, I just came from a free meal, lawrence, so I'm the perfect person for this story.
00:55:34I think they're both a little right.
00:55:35I love bill maher, he's funny and insightful.
00:55:38He is right about oprah sending mixed messages.
00:55:42>> Be careful with the rest of your answer.
00:55:45>> She's pan dering to greed, isn't that what all television show does?
00:55:49It's about commercials and selling merchandise to the public.
00:55:53At least she gave it away.
00:55:55In this economy, people are basically eating dirt for dinner, she's saying, here's a crimping iron, you'll love it until you have to pay taxes on them.
00:56:06>> What is going to happen to american television when oprah moves on?
00:56:14Sarah palin seems to be waiting in the wings.
00:56:18Oprah said she saw sarah palin's show on tlc, and they said, she's charming and very likeable.
00:56:25Is sarah palin on her way to becoming the next oprah?
00:56:35>> Well, oprah's clearly lost her mind in addition to her talk show.
00:56:39She's lost all faculty here.
00:56:39Sarah palin needs to become a reality show footnote.
00:56:41Which I'm sure will happen come 2012.
00:56:45I'm more worried about oprah winfrey, and her new network, own.
00:56:48This is perfect time for christmas, it's always been a battle between jesus and santa.
00:56:54The spiritual, and if you weren't good, you don't get your cha-cha heels.
00:57:00We do forget to commemorate jesus and oprah.
00:57:03But we don't forget to buy things, do we?
00:57:08>> What about the civic duty side of oprah?
00:57:12She couldn't possibly be doing more to stimulate the economy than all of this spending on her audience?
00:57:22>> She's increasing tax payments that will be coming in as soon as these people realize you have to pay taxes on this or you go to jail with wesley snipes.
00:57:32She's making you want to buy more.
00:57:37It's not enough to get one yacht cruise, you get addicted and you want to see the world.
00:57:41Even though you don't have a home.
00:57:44>> Michael, that's going to have to be the last word on oprah and bill maher.
00:57:50Thank you.
00:57:51>> Thafrmgs you.
00:57:51>>> That's "the last word" from los angeles.
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